White Sox Clubhouse and Sex Dolls

[Texsox]

Again, if you don't like and especially can't handle the act like a 15 year old atmosphere and sophmoric humor, don't follow sports because that is what it is like in every locker room there is. This certainly is a topic that merits discussion, and it can merit disagreeing with what was done. But to take this to the extreme that people like TexSox and Carol Slezak are is pretty ridiculous, you'd swear rape and sodomy were committed on an actual woman when a stupid joke involving a blow up doll and a bat to try and loosen up a team is what really happened.

It's extreme to expect adults to act in a manner that the youngest fans can view?

[Texsox]

Your kidding right? There is a big, big, big difference between a doll, simulated acts or not, and commenting on a real persons breasts and asking co-workers out. A huge difference. I can't believe you actually just made that comparison.

 

You think that today, but that was the argument back then. It was uppity women libbers

 

When do you think the sexual harassments laws went into effect? Women had to fight for the right to not hear that stuff.

[whitesoxfan101]

It's extreme to expect adults to act in a manner that the youngest fans can view?

The youngest fans aren't in the locker room, and to expect people to always act in a way everybody can view is ridiculous. Besides, any kid who looks up to athletes as a role model has some misguided parents to allow them to do so since none of us (or very few) have actually met the athletes.

[Steve9347]

Again, if you don't like and especially can't handle the act like a 15 year old atmosphere and sophmoric humor, don't follow sports because that is what it is like in every locker room there is. This certainly is a topic that merits discussion, and it can merit disagreeing with what was done. But to take this to the extreme that people like TexSox and Carol Slezak are is pretty ridiculous, you'd swear rape and sodomy were committed on an actual woman when a stupid joke involving a blow up doll and a bat to try and loosen up a team is what really happened.

I have no problem with them doing this s*** behind closed doors. I also don't think I should be told to stop following sports because I'd like the White Sox to keep it behind doors.

 

Had this "shrine" been removed before reporters came in, like any f***ing team that was run properly would make sure is done, this wouldn't be an issue because we wouldn't know about it.

 

If the entire Yankees roster has a big orgy behind closed doors, that's fine, I don't give a s***. It's when the reporters are subjected to it, and it leaks out, and it effects the view of this franchise, this is where I have a problem. The Sox subjected female reporters and male reporters alike to an incredibly insensitive and stupid thing they pointlessly tried to do. It was a dumb move that effects the image of this franchise, and therein lies the problem.

Edited May 6, 2008 by Steve9347

[whitesoxfan101]

You think that today, but that was the argument back then. It was uppity women libbers

 

I believe in women's rights, I don't believe in dolls rights.

Edited May 6, 2008 by whitesoxfan101

[whitesoxfan101]

I have no problem with them doing this s*** behind closed doors. I also don't think I should be told to stop following sports because I'd like the White Sox to keep it behind doors.

 

Had this "shrine" been removed before reporters came in, like any f***ing team that was run properly would make sure is done, this wouldn't be an issue because we wouldn't know about it.

 

Oh I agree it SHOULD have been kept behind closed doors, and I agree it wasn't because the team wasn't run properly in that regard. My issue is that some people seem to think things like this never should happen. The impression TexSox and Carol Slezak and so on give (excuse me while I go into extreme assumption mode like he has all thread) is that this is evil and violating doll rights and women and children all over the world should hate the Sox now that it should never happen, not even behind closed doors. And although, again, I don't agree with what was done, that is just silly.

Edited May 6, 2008 by whitesoxfan101

[Steve9347]

I believe in women's rights, I don't believe in dolls rights.

But if you believe in women's rights, wouldn't you agree that they shouldn't be subjected to that doll in the workplace? At the designated time set aside by MLB and the franchise for reporters to be in the lockerroom, a female reporter has every bit of right to be comfortable as Jermaine Dye does. At that designated time, it is both of their place of work. Part of the women's rights movements was the inclusion of sexual harassment laws in the workplace to help them gain equality and respect in their careers. A blow up doll with bats in it is no less sexual harassment than having pornography posted on the walls.

 

It's not right, now matter how you shave it.

[southsideirish71]

It's extreme to expect adults to act in a manner that the youngest fans can view?

 

I dont understand this.

When I take my son to a baseball game its the game on the field. The same as my dad did when he took me. We dont stroll into the dugout, hang out with the ballplayers, and dive into that life. The team to me is about the 25 guys on the field playing the game. All of the other crap doesnt involve me, doesnt involve my son and we move on. I dont know what child listens to sports radio or the news in general, so we can eliminate that outlet as a possible influence. Well unless Disney or Boomerang starts to break into Mickey Mouse's Playhouse with Inflatable Doll stories. On the news tonight there will be a short quick blurb about it on TV. Now if I am worried about the Plastic Doll story, dont worry the triple murder and the serial rapist stories will distract him enough to render that pointless. This has nothing to do with the influence of children and is such a non story from that standpoint.

 

 

 

[Steve9347]

Oh I agree it SHOULD have been kept behind closed doors, and I agree it wasn't because the team wasn't run properly in that regard. My issue is that some people seem to think things like this never should happen. The impression TexSox and Carol Slezak and so on give (excuse me while I go into extreme assumption mode like he has all thread) is that this is evil and violating doll rights and women and children all over the world should hate the Sox now that it should never happen, not even behind closed doors. And although, again, I don't agree with what was done, that is just silly.

I can with 100% certainty say that TexSox would not have cared at all about this had the Sox not violated the female reporter's rights and had this viewable to the media, thus leaking the story and effecting the view of this franchise and getting a story about blow up dolls on the radio that could be heard by children.

 

He's not a champion for dolls rights.

[whitesoxfan101]

But if you believe in women's rights, wouldn't you agree that they shouldn't be subjected to that doll in the workplace? At the designated time set aside by MLB and the franchise for reporters to be in the lockerroom, a female reporter has every bit of right to be comfortable as Jermaine Dye does. At that designated time, it is both of their place of work. Part of the women's rights movements was the inclusion of sexual harassment laws in the workplace to help them gain equality and respect in their careers. A blow up doll with bats in it is no less sexual harassment than having pornography posted on the walls.

 

It's not right, now matter how you shave it.

 

Yeah that's a good point. I still would say the locker room is full of pigs, and women probably should expect to see weird s*** like this even as two friends of mine who are women and write about sports said. However, a blow up doll and pornography, which is the objectification of real, live women is nowhere near the same thing. I guess women in the press shouldn't be subjected to it, but if some male's such as Tex are going to be THIS offended, maybe they shouldn't be subjected to it either.

[EvilMonkey]

male and female reporters are granted the exact same access. Which has been the point all along. Equal access. Keep reporters out of the locker room and provide an interview room woulod make the media happy. But this is a baseball tradition that makes the clubs money.

Ok, there are still 3 more pages of posts for me to get to, but responding to this one, how does it matter one bit if a reporter gets an interview in the locker room while the player is still in a towel, or getting dressed vs 15 minutes later in a press room? There is no need for them to ever be actually IN the locker room. The amount of people who hang on to the edge of their seat for that live locker room clip immediately after the game is so small as to not matter.

[southsideirish71]

I can with 100% certainty say that TexSox would not have cared at all about this had the Sox not violated the female reporter's rights and had this viewable to the media, thus leaking the story and effecting the view of this franchise and getting a story about blow up dolls on the radio that could be heard by children.

He's not a champion for dolls rights.

 

What child is listening to Sports Radio/News. Trust me there is a hell of a lot that you will hear on there that will get questions asked before the plastic doll question. If we are so worried about the child's ears, then I suggest you turn the radio down, and find something a bit more less riskee.

[BigSqwert]

I dont understand this.

When I take my son to a baseball game its the game on the field. The same as my dad did when he took me. We dont stroll into the dugout, hang out with the ballplayers, and dive into that life. The team to me is about the 25 guys on the field playing the game. All of the other crap doesnt involve me, doesnt involve my son and we move on. I dont know what child listens to sports radio or the news in general, so we can eliminate that outlet as a possible influence. Well unless Disney or Boomerang starts to break into Mickey Mouse's Playhouse with Inflatable Doll stories. On the news tonight there will be a short quick blurb about it on TV. Now if I am worried about the Plastic Doll story, dont worry the triple murder and the serial rapist stories will distract him enough to render that pointless. This has nothing to do with the influence of children and is such a non story from that standpoint.

 

Really? When I was growing up I would run down the street each morning and pick up a Trib or Sun Times to read the baseball stats and game results. This is when I was in 3rd and 4th grade. You're telling me that kids today can't easily go to ESPN.com or other sites on the web to follow their favorite team?

 

EDIT: And what was your sample size since you decided to eliminate it altogether as a source that could influence all children.

Edited May 6, 2008 by BigSqwert

[Steve9347]

Really? When I was growing up I would run down the street each morning and pick up a Trib or Sun Times to read the baseball stats and game results. This is when I was in 3rd and 4th grade. You're telling me that kids today can't easily go to ESPN.com or other sites on the web to follow their favorite team?

My 10 year old cousin loves to read about the Cubs (I know, I know) in the Tribune and is allowed to visit sports sites on the Web.

[EvilMonkey]

I can with 100% certainty say that TexSox would not have cared at all about this had the Sox not violated the female reporter's rights and had this viewable to the media, thus leaking the story and effecting the view of this franchise and getting a story about blow up dolls on the radio that could be heard by children.

 

He's not a champion for dolls rights.

What female reporter had her rights violated? From what i read there were no women present, except the two airheads.

[southsideirish71]

Really? When I was growing up I would run down the street each morning and pick up a Trib or Sun Times to read the baseball stats and game results. This is when I was in 3rd and 4th grade. You're telling me that kids today can't easily go to ESPN.com or other sites on the web to follow their favorite team?

 

 

And what story will offend them more. The story of the plastic doll with a bat with no more than a basic description of the act. Or the front page story of the triple rape in Lincoln Park. Hell a few years back we had a president who decided to drop some DNA on a blue dress that was more offensive than this. And the internet, good luck with that. If this is the worst thing they see they are lucky.

 

 

 

[Texsox]

The youngest fans aren't in the locker room, and to expect people to always act in a way everybody can view is ridiculous. Besides, any kid who looks up to athletes as a role model has some misguided parents to allow them to do so since none of us (or very few) have actually met the athletes.

 

As YASNY pointed out, there are reporters in the locker room, who function as our eyes and ears. They bring that, good and bad, into our living room.

 

And as I explained earlier, if they had done this at a private party, in their own homes, no problem. But they did it at work, in front of reporters. That's how much they think of their female fans, their young fans.

[Texsox]

And what story will offend them more. The story of the plastic doll with a bat with no more than a basic description of the act. Or the front page story of the triple rape in Lincoln Park. Hell a few years back we had a president who decided to drop some DNA on a blue dress that was more offensive than this. And the internet, good luck with that. If this is the worst thing they see they are lucky.

 

Are you suggesting that because there was a triple rape in Lincoln Park, that we should allow any behavior less reprehensible than that?

[BigSqwert]

And what story will offend them more. The story of the plastic doll with a bat with no more than a basic description of the act. Or the front page story of the triple rape in Lincoln Park. Hell a few years back we had a president who decided to drop some DNA on a blue dress that was more offensive than this. And the internet, good luck with that. If this is the worst thing they see they are lucky.

You're just deflecting the argument. You claimed that kids, your son in particular, would not be exposed to this story because it's all about going to the game and focusing on the 25 man roster that day.

[southsideirish71]

Are you suggesting that because there was a triple rape in Lincoln Park, that we should allow any behavior less reprehensible than that?

 

No there is outrage based on the poor child that could hear the story. I suggest listening to he news/radio or surfing the net can find you a whole bag of worms that is worse than the Doll story.

 

 

 

[Steve9347]

And what story will offend them more. The story of the plastic doll with a bat with no more than a basic description of the act. Or the front page story of the triple rape in Lincoln Park. Hell a few years back we had a president who decided to drop some DNA on a blue dress that was more offensive than this. And the internet, good luck with that. If this is the worst thing they see they are lucky.

And he got in a s***load of trouble and nearly became the second President EVER to be impeached. So what's your point?

[southsideirish71]

You're just deflecting the argument. You claimed that kids, your son in particular, would not be exposed to this story because it's all about going to the game and focusing on the 25 man roster that day.

 

My story had a caveat. I didnt know of any children that listened to the media and that they worried about the team in particular and the results however that they would be exposed to worse off things if they did enter the media stream.

 

 

 

[Steve9347]

It's been fun gents. Really, really helped me kill pretty much an entire work day. I'll be back to read the leftovers in the morning, I just can't see wasting this weather going home and getting back on the comp.

 

[Texsox]

No there is outrage based on the poor child that could hear the story. I suggest listening to he news/radio or surfing the net can find you a whole bag of worms that is worse than the Doll story.

 

So you are defending the doll based on there being worse things out there? And comparing the doll to a triple rape? OK. I'm done. I do not have any response to logic like that.

[southsideirish71]

So you are defending the doll based on there being worse things out there? And comparing the doll to a triple rape? OK. I'm done. I do not have any response to logic like that.

 

I am done with this as well. Its a doll, get over it.

 

If the team or mlb have something to say then it makes a difference. But this over analysis of a silly act is amazing.

 

 

 

Edited May 6, 2008 by southsideirish71