HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 If someone is listening to her highness, give em a recap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:02 PM) right. Affirmative action is extreme, but it's the closest simple explanation I could think of in 10 seconds. I mean I'm not going to act like race plays no factor at all, of course it does. But it's mostly superficial and subconscious, and it certainly isn't out of a disdain for whites. To pretend it's not a direct result of past history in which every single presidential candidate has been a white male and there has never been a credible black candidate before, not even one, is oversimplification. And to jump to the conclusion that strong black support for a black candidate they like (as opposed to one they don't like, hell Michael Steele didn't win here in Maryland) is racism, I see that as both blissfully ignorant (it's easier to just say that than it is to actually think any deeper than what you see) and to be honest mind-numbingly offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:08 PM) I mean I'm not going to act like race plays no factor at all, of course it does. But it's mostly superficial and subconscious, and it certainly isn't out of a disdain for whites. To pretend it's not a direct result of past history in which every single presidential candidate has been a white male and there has never been a credible black candidate before, not even one, is oversimplification. And to jump to the conclusion that strong black support for a black candidate they like (as opposed to one they don't like, hell Michael Steele didn't win here in Maryland) is racism, I see that as both blissfully ignorant (it's easier to just say that than it is to actually think any deeper than what you see) and to be honest mind-numbingly offensive. This is why I let other people make arguments. That is far better worded than I could have said, and I agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:06 PM) The black vote FAVORED Clinton before Iowa. She had over 60% of the black vote. So, obviously this isnt a "anti-white" movement. So, it's not a racist movement. It's something closer to affirmative action.. right or wrong. That's my point exact. Racism doesn't have to be "anti" anything. Racism can also be when you exclude all others for your "pro". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:08 PM) If someone is listening to her highness, give em a recap. It's not the greatest Presidential speech ever. not by a long shot. hillary lied to us, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Hillary says she is ready to take on McCain..um..well..ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (mr_genius @ May 14, 2008 -> 02:13 AM) It's not the greatest Presidential speech ever. not by a long shot. hillary lied to us, again. Seriously, but I do like the guy on the bottom right of the screen. They must have searched many towns in order to find him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:11 PM) That's my point exact. Racism doesn't have to be "anti" anything. Racism can also be when you exclude all others for your "pro". I respectfully disagree with your definition, but that is ok. If you want to work with that as your definition, then yes, it is racism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (mr_genius @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:13 PM) It's not the greatest Presidential speech ever. not by a long shot. hillary lied to us, again. hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:13 PM) Hillary says she is ready to take on McCain..um..well..ok. has she plugged the website yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 14, 2008 -> 01:15 AM) has she plugged the website yet? Within the first minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:11 PM) That's my point exact. Racism doesn't have to be "anti" anything. Racism can also be when you exclude all others for your "pro". Blacks aren't excluding... see the black vote (which votes as a pretty solid bloc most of the time) was split between Obama and Hillary before SC. Bill opened his mouth and that changed everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (fathom @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:15 PM) Within the first minute. thought so. Do the people in WV own a computer or have an internet connection? jk Edited May 14, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:16 PM) Blacks aren't excluding... see the black vote (which votes as a pretty solid bloc most of the time) was split between Obama and Hillary before SC. Bill opened his mouth and that changed everything. SC was a blessing and curse to Obama. It partially marginalized him as "the black candidate" to some Americans, but it galvanized the black community which has, with out a doubt, boosted him to where he is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 09:20 PM) SC was a blessing and curse to Obama. It partially marginalized him as "the black candidate" to some Americans, but it galvanized the black community which has, with out a doubt, boosted him to where he is today. Bill just like... kept talking. He was worse than Rev. Wright. "Obama played the race card on me in SC." lol, everybody of any race can see what he was doing there. It got to the point where it was funny. Like the old saying goes "it's better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:23 PM) Bill just like... kept talking. He was worse than Rev. Wright. "Obama played the race card on me in SC." lol, everybody of any race can see what he was doing there. I remember a well respected black politician from SC say that he wasnt "blatant" about what he said in some cases. but there was a "code" he used that people from that area knew, even if a white northerner like I didnt know it. QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:23 PM) Like the old saying goes "it's better to be silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt." I always thought that quote was attributed to Lincoln. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:27 PM) I remember a well respected black politician from SC say that he wasnt "blatant" about what he said in some cases. but there was a "code" he used that people from that area knew, even if a white northerner like I didnt know it. I always thought that quote was attributed to Lincoln. I thought it was like a Chinese proverb or something. I need to read more. But yeah all the black people I know (which is a lot) who are politically active said they had no problems with Hillary at all, and a lot of them were thinking about voting for her until either SC or until it became obvious she was on her way down and started getting dirty to keep her campaign afloat, and lost a lot of respect for her. There are obviously blacks out there who vote for Obama because he's black but that's a small number nowhere near 90%, and the rest you can just chalk up to everyone around them being Obama supporters and jumping on the bandwagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ May 13, 2008 -> 08:33 PM) I thought it was like a Chinese proverb or something. I need to read more. It apparently has no known origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Where's Byrd been during all this? Doing his laundry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Apparently "Other" is getting 6-8% of the vote in WV. Seems to be Edwards votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Didnt one of the Clintons say they needed to win 80-20 or 90-10? Looks like they wont get that. What wll they say now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) Hey Reddy, Edwards got 7.33% of the vote in WV. not bad for someone who dropped out months ago. Edited May 14, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ May 14, 2008 -> 09:16 AM) Hey Reddy, Edwards got 7.33% of the vote in WV. not bad for someone who dropped out months ago. i was just gonna effing post this. this is the real victory tonight. guess we could have won WV if he'd stayed in. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 14, 2008 Author Share Posted May 14, 2008 Final results from West Virginia: Clinton: 239,062 (66%) Obama: 91,652 (26%) Clinton wins by 40. She'll net about 12 delegates. Only about 200 to go, Hillary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted May 15, 2008 Share Posted May 15, 2008 John Stewart on W.V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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