GreatScott82 Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Thome and Konerko will be moved further down in the lineup. Probably 5 and 6 by the end of this trip. Yeah their sucking it up right now... its kind of funny how our highest payed players are playing the worst baseball right now. (Konerko .200 hitter for 12 mill/season) (Thome .200 hitter for 14 mill/season) and Buerhle 1-5 for 14 mil/season. YIKES! I know Buerhle will bounce back but as far as Konerko and Thome go, thats 26 millions dollars which can easily be dispersed into making our team better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ May 14, 2008 -> 03:50 PM) Thome and Konerko will be moved further down in the lineup. Probably 5 and 6 by the end of this trip. Yeah their sucking it up right now... its kind of funny how our highest payed players are playing the worst baseball right now. (Konerko .200 hitter for 12 mill/season) (Thome .200 hitter for 14 mill/season) and Buerhle 1-5 for 14 mil/season. YIKES! I know Buerhle will bounce back but as far as Konerko and Thome go, thats 26 millions dollars which can easily be dispersed into making our team better. The Sox are paying Jermaine Dye, Javy Vazquez, Orlando Cabrera and Jose Contreras more than they're paying Thome this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I've never said he isn't statistically good. However, I don't expect him to hit .280 this year. If he did I'd be much more acceptable of him. I didn't have a major problem with him the past couple years. However, I'm not going to lie, I would prefer to use the DH as a spot to rest your everyday players (essentially having 9 to 10 guys on your roster that can play everyday and utilizing the DH to give guys rest or play the lefty/righty match-ups). Thome will probably hit .250 this year (+/- 10 points) and to me that is where when you have a team that already crushes home runs I'll take a pass and take a guy that would hit .50 points higher with 15 hr's who can go 1st to 3rd and play solid defense. In fact he's better than all of those DH's with the exception of Ortiz. I didn't consider Hideki Matsui in there because I consider Giambi a DH more so than Hideki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 14, 2008 -> 03:55 PM) I've never said he isn't statistically good. However, I don't expect him to hit .280 this year. If he did I'd be much more acceptable of him. I didn't have a major problem with him the past couple years. However, I'm not going to lie, I would prefer to use the DH as a spot to rest your everyday players (essentially having 9 to 10 guys on your roster that can play everyday and utilizing the DH to give guys rest or play the lefty/righty match-ups). Thome will probably hit .250 this year (+/- 10 points) and to me that is where when you have a team that already crushes home runs I'll take a pass and take a guy that would hit .50 points higher with 15 hr's who can go 1st to 3rd and play solid defense. In fact he's better than all of those DH's with the exception of Ortiz. I didn't consider Hideki Matsui in there because I consider Giambi a DH more so than Hideki. You just described Randy Winn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 I would have no problem with a younger Randy Winn on the White Sox. I know that will make some people throw up, but I think the Sox could use a couple guys in the lineup that who can start innings off if they happen to lead-off an inning. Funny thing is, I've also always been a Randy Winn fan (back from his days in Seattle). I'd easily take him as a 2 hitter on this club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 We should've traded Thome and picked up Chad Tracy, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ May 14, 2008 -> 06:04 PM) Or try and get Kotchman and Santana from the Halos. Wait, they suck though, right? Not anymore. Funny how that works, huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ May 14, 2008 -> 04:04 PM) Or try and get Kotchman and Santana from the Halos. Wait, they suck though, right? I know why you did that but I have a brief tangent; why is that trade package always brought up in conjunction with Paul Konerko? Does anyone truly believe the Angels would have been stupid enough to make that trade or that KW would be stupid enough to reject it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (daa84 @ May 14, 2008 -> 08:59 PM) trading konerko or thome before it is too late would require a flux capacitor, a delorean and 1.21 jigawatts I don't care who you are that's funny right there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Its too bad Tracy's injuries seemed to get the best of him. He was a solid major leaguer who could have had some very good seasons. Hell, he had some more than solid major league seasons (His first 3 seasons were very solid). I remember getting a lot of flack for saying how much I liked Erik Aybar last year. He still has to work on improving his strike-zone judgement, but he looks to be a legitimate major league shortstop with the upside to one day be an above average leadoff hitter (who plays a premium position). And yes, I continue to be infatuated with many Angels players. They play a style of baseball I like (it also fits into my thoughts on how I'd design my roster) and have been a rock solid fundamental team for a number of years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 We are 38 games into the season more or less. I love it when we all analyze after every game, but even more so when it's a loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Mark DeRosa is also a 15/.300 guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ May 14, 2008 -> 03:04 PM) Or try and get Kotchman and Santana from the Halos. Wait, they suck though, right? Lets not forget Erik Aybar. I recall my hard on for all of those guys was at times where they weren't necessarily highly regarded in the Angels organization (Kochman's love was after he had failed once, Santana love started in the minors, and than continued even though he struggled in the bigs and I loved Aybar since watching him in spring training a year or two ago). I've been wrong many times, but I still completely disagree with the money-ball approach to building a lineup. There is a lot more to fielding a good offense than OPB/Slugging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 14, 2008 -> 11:03 PM) I would have no problem with a younger Randy Winn on the White Sox. I know that will make some people throw up, but I think the Sox could use a couple guys in the lineup that who can start innings off if they happen to lead-off an inning. Funny thing is, I've also always been a Randy Winn fan (back from his days in Seattle). I'd easily take him as a 2 hitter on this club. Who is a younger Randy Winn? Or did he discover the fountain of youth? The issue with Konerko's hand is one I was wondering about. Paulie might not be able to get a good hand hold on that bat just yet. Edited May 14, 2008 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Wasn't the Kochman/Santana rumor even more of a possibility the year prior (before Kochman had really broken out). It wasn't like last off-season was the first time Konerko to the Angels rumors popped up. Of course the prior times Santana was the bigger chip while Kochman was a top prospect who hadn't proven he could put it together at the major league level. There were numerous possibilities out there and I just know that I have always been gaga over getting those type of players. I love Santana's stuff and Kochman has good all around tools and just a great approach at the plate. He'll never be a superstar, but he'll be a really really quality ball player for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Or try and get Kotchman and Santana from the Halos. Wait, they suck though, right? Kotchman's OPS is 1 point less than Konerko's from last year. Santana has been a huge surprise and was given a chance due to injuries. If we had him he would push Danks or Floyd out of the rotation (the other three are locked in due to $$$) so there really isn't too much of a difference....so far. Kotchman arguably outproduced Konerko in 2007, which was a down year for Konerko, and this year he is outproducing him in another better lineup and he's healthier. Chad Tracy has never put up level of production close to Thome. That's why it's much sillier to ever suggest replacing Thome with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 14, 2008 -> 04:03 PM) I would have no problem with a younger Randy Winn on the White Sox. I know that will make some people throw up, but I think the Sox could use a couple guys in the lineup that who can start innings off if they happen to lead-off an inning. Funny thing is, I've also always been a Randy Winn fan (back from his days in Seattle). I'd easily take him as a 2 hitter on this club. But we're not talking about young, All-Star, traded for Lou Piniella Randy Winn, we're talking about 34 year old, .300 BA, 15 HR, adequate defensively, decent speed Randy Winn/Mark DeRosa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 14, 2008 Share Posted May 14, 2008 Wasn't the Kochman/Santana rumor even more of a possibility the year prior (before Kochman had really broken out). It wasn't like last off-season was the first time Konerko to the Angels rumors popped up. Of course the prior times Santana was the bigger chip while Kochman was a top prospect who hadn't proven he could put it together at the major league level. There were numerous possibilities out there and I just know that I have always been gaga over getting those type of players. I love Santana's stuff and Kochman has good all around tools and just a great approach at the plate. He'll never be a superstar, but he'll be a really really quality ball player for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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