southsider2k5 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 1, 2008 -> 09:19 PM) I'm just curious- since when is a 6'9 player going to be an inside force? Will he be able to score on/defend guys like Ilgauskas, Garnett, Bynum/Gasol, Rasheed, Tyson Chandler, etc.? Elton Brand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (JFields27 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 12:23 AM) Maybe the Bulls can sign Arenas hah get the old Arenas and Hughes connection together and draft Beasely ha Gilbert Arenas on the Bulls would be the biggest mistake of Paxson's career. He'll lose you more games than he'll win you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 09:24 AM) Gilbert Arenas on the Bulls would be the biggest mistake of Paxson's career. He'll lose you more games than he'll win you... getting a Arena-Hughes connection back would be the mistake ... that comes before the games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 07:11 AM) Elton Brand That's my mistake in the first place for ever thinking Beasley would be the C. He'd be PF. My fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Let's chew on that comparison. On paper Rose measures up better than Paul in almost every aspect... ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 04:05 PM) Let's chew on that comparison. On paper Rose measures up better than Paul in almost every aspect... ridiculous. Now you'll get the "CP3 played better competition arguments", which are BS. Class rank for Rose- NA. More and more I think about it, just take Rose, take DJ White or the best PF/C available in the 2nd, find a way to get Brand, and go from there. Edited June 3, 2008 by whitesoxbrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 05:08 PM) Now you'll get the "CP3 played better competition arguments", which are BS. Class rank for Rose- NA. More and more I think about it, just take Rose, take DJ White or the best PF/C available in the 2nd, find a way to get Brand, and go from there. just draft Rose, trade Gordan and the 2nd to move up to the 22nd spot in the 1st and grab Roy Hibbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 03:08 PM) More and more I think about it, just take Rose, take DJ White or the best PF/C available in the 2nd, find a way to get Brand, and go from there. I still don't like the Brand Rose combo at all, entirely based on the ages. I just think you're asking for 3-4 years of slightly above average play there, when Brand carries you to the middle of the playoffs while Rose is still a kid and then Rose carries you to the middle of the playoffs when Brand becomes a declining 30 year old forward with a big contract. On the other hand...if you made a move for Wade...even if you didn't get another pick back from the Heat...that would be an absolutely ideal situation to go after Brand (with some combo of 3 of Gooden/Tyrus/Gordon/Nocioni/Sefalosha). Gives you a starting lineup of Brand, Deng, Noah, Hinrich, Wade. If there aren't any major injuries, that's as good of a lineup as there is in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (JFields27 @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 12:10 PM) just draft Rose, trade Gordan and the 2nd to move up to the 22nd spot in the 1st and grab Roy Hibbert Wow, no thanks. Hibbert has stiff written all over him, no way I give up Gordon (or Hinrich) to get him. The guy just isn't a good athlete and struggles when he has to face guys that are quicker than him, which is nearly everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 What's our pick in the 2nd, anyway? And a very odd question -- will there be any point guards available? It's strange, but we may actually need another pg, even after adding Rose, and even considering how crowded our backcourt is. If the Bulls take Rose, they'll be looking to deal Hinrich, and Duhon could be gone. Gordon SUCKS at the point. I mean, you could get by without someone. Gordon or Hughes could bring the ball up a few times a game. But it's not an ideal situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (JFields27 @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 01:10 PM) just draft Rose, trade Gordan and the 2nd to move up to the 22nd spot in the 1st and grab Roy Hibbert I am pretty happy you are not running the Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 10:29 AM) What's our pick in the 2nd, anyway? And a very odd question -- will there be any point guards available? It's strange, but we may actually need another pg, even after adding Rose, and even considering how crowded our backcourt is. If the Bulls take Rose, they'll be looking to deal Hinrich, and Duhon could be gone. Gordon SUCKS at the point. I mean, you could get by without someone. Gordon or Hughes could bring the ball up a few times a game. But it's not an ideal situation. The Bulls still are holding their 2nd round PG from last year, JamesOn Curry, who they sent to the D-League most of the year. But honestly, if the Bulls do draft rose and can't clear at least 1 of the Shooting Guards out, then they really don't need another backup guard. Whether it's ideal or not, they really have to use one of Gordon/Sef/Hughes as the backup PG just because there aren't enough minutes to go around at the SG spot. If the Bulls are able to make a move clearing out a guard, then a backup PG would be an ideal thing to get in return, assuming Rose is drafted. Or, they have a trade exemption they could use to steal a player from a team looking to clear cap space. Or they would still have the MLE to spend on a player. They have lots of options. The key is going to be what kind of deal they can make to clear out some of these big salary players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 11:29 AM) What's our pick in the 2nd, anyway? And a very odd question -- will there be any point guards available? It's strange, but we may actually need another pg, even after adding Rose, and even considering how crowded our backcourt is. If the Bulls take Rose, they'll be looking to deal Hinrich, and Duhon could be gone. Gordon SUCKS at the point. I mean, you could get by without someone. Gordon or Hughes could bring the ball up a few times a game. But it's not an ideal situation. It's the 9th overall pick in the 2nd round. And, Mario Chalmers will probably still be around, so he's a PG. Duhon will probably be gone, as he's an UFA. And yes, Gordon does stink. He can't play a lick of defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 01:39 PM) The Bulls still are holding their 2nd round PG from last year, JamesOn Curry, who they sent to the D-League most of the year. But honestly, if the Bulls do draft rose and can't clear at least 1 of the Shooting Guards out, then they really don't need another backup guard. Whether it's ideal or not, they really have to use one of Gordon/Sef/Hughes as the backup PG just because there aren't enough minutes to go around at the SG spot. If the Bulls are able to make a move clearing out a guard, then a backup PG would be an ideal thing to get in return, assuming Rose is drafted. Or, they have a trade exemption they could use to steal a player from a team looking to clear cap space. Or they would still have the MLE to spend on a player. They have lots of options. The key is going to be what kind of deal they can make to clear out some of these big salary players. All true, and I forgot about Curry. I'm just kind of thinking out loud. It's not very important for next year, but it would be nice if they could find an adequate backup point at some point soon, without committing any serious money to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 James OnCurry is not really considered a PG. If you consider him a PG, than Ben Gordon is a PG. In fact, Gordon is a much better PG than Curry (just think about that cause Gordon blows balls at everything but scoring). The best thing that will happen to this franchise is Gordon getting out of dodge. He's one of those all or nothing players I hate (similar to my distaste of Jim Thome). Ben Gordon coming off the bench is a valuable asset to a franchise, Ben Gordon the starter who gets a near max contract, is an absolute travesty and the Bulls need to let some other team deal with that mess (and they should be able to get something valuable back in return too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (rangercal @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 12:29 PM) I am pretty happy you are not running the Bulls. i didnt say i would make the deal .. just threw it out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChWRoCk2 Posted June 4, 2008 Share Posted June 4, 2008 QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 11:29 AM) What's our pick in the 2nd, anyway? And a very odd question -- will there be any point guards available? It's strange, but we may actually need another pg, even after adding Rose, and even considering how crowded our backcourt is. If the Bulls take Rose, they'll be looking to deal Hinrich, and Duhon could be gone. Gordon SUCKS at the point. I mean, you could get by without someone. Gordon or Hughes could bring the ball up a few times a game. But it's not an ideal situation. We have the 9th pick in the second round. There a couple good guards I'd like to grab in the second round. Courtney Lee - SG Lester Hudson - PG Bill Walker - SG/SF Shan Foster - SG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (ChWRoCk2 @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 06:57 PM) We have the 9th pick in the second round. There a couple good guards I'd like to grab in the second round. Courtney Lee - SG Lester Hudson - PG Bill Walker - SG/SF Shan Foster - SG Mario Chalmers much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Chalmers will go first round to the Spurs...there is a KU, spurs connection with their GM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 I'm a Jayhawk fan, but I'm not sure how much NBA game Chalmers will have. I guess he could be similar to Duhon--good defense with the occasional scoring outburst (although probably a better scorer than Du). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 I was listening to K C Johnson the other morning, and he was saying that Beasley measured out at around 6'7" 1/2 at one of the workouts he has been to so far. There is a whole lot of 6'7" Forwards in the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jun 16, 2008 -> 09:00 AM) I was listening to K C Johnson the other morning, and he was saying that Beasley measured out at around 6'7" 1/2 at one of the workouts he has been to so far. There is a whole lot of 6'7" Forwards in the league He plays bigger, though, because he has long arms. His stand and reach was on par with Joakim Noah's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 He measured in at 6 '8 1/2 with shoes on, which is the only thing that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 QUOTE (Palehosefan @ Jun 16, 2008 -> 11:44 AM) He measured in at 6 '8 1/2 with shoes on, which is the only thing that matters. That's kinda short for a PF. He's almost aSF at that point. If THAT's the case, than Rose is the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 18, 2008 -> 03:16 PM) That's kinda short for a PF. He's almost aSF at that point. If THAT's the case, than Rose is the pick. Agreed. I'll take Rose's 40" vertical, which is like the 3rd best ever I believe, and his wingspan which is like 6'9". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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