RockRaines Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 03:20 PM) Hughes has a hideous contract, shoots at a hideous rate, and takes way more shots than he should in the first place. Gordon, on the other hand, is our best scorer, hands down, and is a phenomenal 3 point shooter. I agree that Hughes is better defensively though. Handles won't mean much for Hughes with Rose on the squad now. And this is coming from a guy who doesn't really like Ben Gordon. Ben Gordon's new contract will not be good. I think he is about as one-dimensional a player as there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 02:04 PM) Why does every person keep talking about dumping Hughes but keeping Ben Gordon. Hughes is a taller Gordon, with handles, that actually plays good defense. I would want him over Gordon on this team every day of the week, especially with a rookie starting next to him in the backcourt. Gordon is the superior offensive player, however, Hughes has a very unique skill-set and I figure he's going to stick on the Bulls because they can't get rid of him. He isn't excatly an efficient offensive scorer but aside from that he can handle the ball better than Gordon and is a much better defender. He does have injury issues though and one could question how well he'll play within an offense (but than again, I don't really see how Gordon plays within an offense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 04:25 PM) Ben Gordon's new contract will not be good. I think he is about as one-dimensional a player as there is. At least he's one of the best at that 1 dimension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 02:29 PM) Gordon is the superior offensive player, however, Hughes has a very unique skill-set and I figure he's going to stick on the Bulls because they can't get rid of him. He isn't excatly an efficient offensive scorer but aside from that he can handle the ball better than Gordon and is a much better defender. He does have injury issues though and one could question how well he'll play within an offense (but than again, I don't really see how Gordon plays within an offense). The one big benefit of Hughes and the reason you might want to hold him at this point...he's a 2010 year monstrous expiring contract. That's the Lebron/Wade year. We may not be in a position to make a run at either of those 2, especially if we use the MLE or we trade Hinrich/Noc and don't get back an expiring deal...but for a team like the Knicks, Nets, or others who want to sink their teeth in to those 2 players...the value of that contract is only going to go up from here (and that's assuming Hughes simply doesn't even play for the next 2 years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Free Agency has begun. Remember Bulls fans or basketball fans in general, check out www.talkbulls.com for all the latest news. We've had some good discussion on all of the Bulls trade rumors (ie, all the rumors involving Hinrich) was all as some solid discussions relating to the implications Barons Davis, Corey Maggette, and Elton Brand's UFA status (now that they've opted out) will have on Gordon/Deng's contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 11:51 PM) Free Agency has begun. Remember Bulls fans or basketball fans in general, check out www.talkbulls.com for all the latest news. We've had some good discussion on all of the Bulls trade rumors (ie, all the rumors involving Hinrich) was all as some solid discussions relating to the implications Barons Davis, Corey Maggette, and Elton Brand's UFA status (now that they've opted out) will have on Gordon/Deng's contracts. I expect either a quiet offseason or a huge move- nothin' in between. I think we'll see either Gordon and Deng get re-signed, or they both will and then Gordon along with Hinrich and TT being sent to LAC for Brand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 12:02 AM) I expect either a quiet offseason or a huge move- nothin' in between. I think we'll see either Gordon and Deng get re-signed, or they both will and then Gordon along with Hinrich and TT being sent to LAC for Brand. Gordon, Hinrich, and Tyrus for Brand will not happen, I can guarantee that. Paxson wouldn't pull the trigger if thats what LA wanted unless he was getting SERIOUS pressure from JR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Brand opted out of the last year on his deal, fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Maggette's been rumored to sign with either Orlando or New Orleans. The most we can offer is the MLE, and Maggette's probably worth more than that. The thing is, is he going to get more money from anyone else? The Clippers are after Davis and want to re-sign Brand. The Warriors made a huge offer for Arenas, 5/100 also FWIW. A lineup of Nelson, Maggette, Turkoglu, Lewis and Howard looks pretty good. Still need a big at the 4 spot though. And if we signed Maggette, we'd lose Keyon Dooling for sure, and I think SVG wants him back big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Pleaaaaaaaase sign Brand. Whatever it takes. I know they're gonna have to dump some salary though. But Brand would have a Pau Gasol effect on this team (and Brand > Gasol). I realize I'm probably just daydreaming but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 10:23 AM) Pleaaaaaaaase sign Brand. Whatever it takes. I know they're gonna have to dump some salary though. But Brand would have a Pau Gasol effect on this team (and Brand > Gasol). I realize I'm probably just daydreaming but still. I would be all for it if they trade some bodies ( gooden,noc) . However, if this screws up our cap space for 2010 I would rather pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 12:35 PM) I would be all for it if they trade some bodies ( gooden,noc) . However, if this screws up our cap space for 2010 I would rather pass. There's no way it would not limit the cap space in 2010, as far as I can tell. He opted out of a ~$17 mil option, so he's clearly looking for more than the MLE, which would be at most about $30 mil total over 5 years (iirc -- and he should be able to get much more). Basically the only way you get him is a sign-and-trade with the Clippers, but he'll certainly want a 4+ year deal at decent money. I think at best it would be a sideways move in terms of 2010 cap space, instead of clearing money by moving Hinrich, say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Oh, plus, Brand has been saying that he wants to resign with the Clippers. Doesn't mean he won't listen to other teams, but he seems to be serious about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 02:43 PM) Oh, plus, Brand has been saying that he wants to resign with the Clippers. Doesn't mean he won't listen to other teams, but he seems to be serious about it. I heard that he wants to stay in LA or sign with MIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 04:02 PM) I heard that he wants to stay in LA or sign with MIA. Has he said anything about Miami, or is it just that Miami would like to get him (which has been rumored for a while now)? It would be a tough sell now that Beasley is down there, especially when they already have Haslem and Marion. Even if you trade Marion, do you play Beasley at the 3 to accommodate Brand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 The Clippers can re-sign him for more $$ than the $$ that he can sign as a free agent with almost anyone else. Then, he can agree to be dealt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Baron Davis and Brand will be leading the Clippers to the playoffs. Or at least thats what I expect to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Davis Mobley/Gordon Kaman Thornton Brand Not a bad starting 5 there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Davis for $10M a season is crazy. But now Maggette has to settle for the MLE. Boston have already offered it to him though. Let's see if he "really" wants to go back to Orlando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 QUOTE (DBAH0 @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 10:57 PM) Davis for $10M a season is crazy. Im assuming you mean crazy as in bargain. Maybe this signing helps the market in favor of the owners this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 03:54 PM) Has he said anything about Miami, or is it just that Miami would like to get him (which has been rumored for a while now)? It would be a tough sell now that Beasley is down there, especially when they already have Haslem and Marion. Even if you trade Marion, do you play Beasley at the 3 to accommodate Brand? Well, before the draft some people were saying he might project to a 3 in the NBA anyway. Not to say he won't play PF, but I don't think moving him to SF would hurt anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 08:39 AM) Well, before the draft some people were saying he might project to a 3 in the NBA anyway. Not to say he won't play PF, but I don't think moving him to SF would hurt anything. His height profiles more as a 3, but he plays an inside game. He'll score at whatever position, but you're limiting his rebounding ability and asking him to defend along the perimeter. (Not that defense is his strong suit, anyway, but you'd like to play him where his defense is 'less weak'.) It wouldn't be a disaster, but it's not the best use of his skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 09:32 AM) His height profiles more as a 3, but he plays an inside game. He'll score at whatever position, but you're limiting his rebounding ability and asking him to defend along the perimeter. (Not that defense is his strong suit, anyway, but you'd like to play him where his defense is 'less weak'.) It wouldn't be a disaster, but it's not the best use of his skills. Even so, Beasley-Brand would be one of the better 3-4 combos in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Its a moot point anyway, Brand is gonna be on the Clippers who assuming everyone is healthy will be a pretty damn fun team to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I'm not going to give up the fantasy of Brand being on the Bulls yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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