whitesoxbrian Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 QUOTE (DBAH0 @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 03:17 PM) Maggette would have started for the Spurs, and Ginobili off the bench in his 6th man role. Finlay's just about done. That's why I was a little surprised. Sure his numbers are going to be good, but shouldn't the goal of every athlete be to win a championship? That ain't gonna happen with the Warriors. But for every one of those, there's a Larry Hughes I guess, which shows how selfish some of these guys are. And Brian, I don't know how the Cavs are a top 2 team at this point. They've added no-one yet, Ilgauskas and Wallace are another year older, and LeBron still needs help. 45 win team at best at this stage. Maybe not. I wonder if Cleveland might try to get Baron now. There's been talk that he might want to get out of his LA contract now that his "friend" Elton left him there to rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 03:23 PM) Maybe not. I wonder if Cleveland might try to get Baron now. There's been talk that he might want to get out of his LA contract now that his "friend" Elton left him there to rot. They don't have enough money to get him, the only teams with any cap space left are the Clippers, Golden State and Memphis. They'd have to work out a major sign-and-trade with Golden State and they really don't have any good, young talent to send back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 I'm surprised there is so much worries after the first intramural game that Derrick Rose played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Apparently Baron Davis cancelled his press conference. I'm sure he's having second thoughts but Golden State no longer has the cap room to come up with an attractive offer and Philly is out of the equation. Memphis won't spend money and the Hawks need to use there caproom on at least one of Smith/Childress. Bottom line, Davis isn't going anywhere but LA. He'll think things for a while and realize thats the case. I don't really know if he could work out a sign and trade given that Golden State doesn't have bird rights to him anymore or the money to put together a significant sign and trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 01:37 PM) They don't have enough money to get him, the only teams with any cap space left are the Clippers, Golden State and Memphis. They'd have to work out a major sign-and-trade with Golden State and they really don't have any good, young talent to send back. Does Golden State have enough cash to put together a sign and trade deal? I'm assuming they are limited by the cap in what they can offer Davis since he opted out? Or am I mistaken in that and they can still offer him a max deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 Cleveland could maybe offer Szcerbiak (big expiring contract), Vareajao and Daniel Gibson plus a few draft picks for Baron Davis. But yeah, I think Baron's stuck in LA at this point. They're going to go after Josh Smith or Emeka Okafor (who'd be perfect next to Chris Kaman at PF) at this point. They may offer Okafor something like a $70M deal for 5 years actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 03:40 PM) Does Golden State have enough cash to put together a sign and trade deal? I'm assuming they are limited by the cap in what they can offer Davis since he opted out? Or am I mistaken in that and they can still offer him a max deal. I'm not 100% sure, but the wording would seem to suggest they do: "In a nutshell, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary. To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent." Technically he's still "their" free agent, they just don't hold an option year or an option to match the contract anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 12:46 PM) I'm not 100% sure, but the wording would seem to suggest they do: "In a nutshell, the Larry Bird exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, at an amount up to the maximum salary. To qualify as a Bird free agent, a player must have played three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent." Technically he's still "their" free agent, they just don't hold an option year or an option to match the contract anymore. What was the difference in what happened with Brand and Davis. Did the Clippers actually renounce the rights to Brand after he opted out? I'm assuming that is the case and the Warriors did not do that? I ask that because I remember reading that the Clippers did not have Larry Bird rights with Brand due to something (I know Brand opted out same as Davis, but the question is did the Clippers also renounce his rights to clear additional room for Davis). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 QUOTE (DBAH0 @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 03:45 PM) Cleveland could maybe offer Szcerbiak (big expiring contract), Vareajao and Daniel Gibson plus a few draft picks for Baron Davis. But yeah, I think Baron's stuck in LA at this point. They're going to go after Josh Smith or Emeka Okafor (who'd be perfect next to Chris Kaman at PF) at this point. They may offer Okafor something like a $70M deal for 5 years actually. Varejao and Gibson are the only two remotely interesting youngsters they can give up, and I can't really see them giving up Gibson because he's so amazingly cheap and his outside shooting is a huge asset, especially if you have Lebron AND Davis drawing defenders. They do have PLENTY of expiring money they can send back, besides Wally they also have Damon Jones, Erik Snow and Joe Smith. That's like $25 mil in contracts. Varejao makes about $6 mil as well now, so salary clearly isn't the issue. However, if you're Golden State do you really do them a favor like that just for something like Varejao and a future pick? The pending cap space isn't as big a deal because you don't have the contracts right now and that would prevent them from going after restricted free agents. It's FAR more likely that Davis just ends up signing in LA anyways, he doesn't have a whole lot of options. Plus with Brand going to Philly and Magette off the books LA still has 10-15 mil left to play with depending on what kind of contract Davis finally ends up signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 03:50 PM) What was the difference in what happened with Brand and Davis. Did the Clippers actually renounce the rights to Brand after he opted out? I'm assuming that is the case and the Warriors did not do that? I ask that because I remember reading that the Clippers did not have Larry Bird rights with Brand due to something (I know Brand opted out same as Davis, but the question is did the Clippers also renounce his rights to clear additional room for Davis). I'm not really sure, maybe I'm wrong. I thought that Seattle did that with Rashard Lewis last year though so he could get more money. Was he a restricted free agent? I didn't think so. Maybe it no longer applies once they hit the open market and is only good when signing an extension, or maybe the option years throw the whole thing off. Edited July 9, 2008 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 IF LA was able to sign Okafor or Smith this off-season I'd still consider them a very good team. I happen to like Okafor a lot and I believe a Kaman/Okafor front court would be very very strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 02:55 PM) IF LA was able to sign Okafor or Smith this off-season I'd still consider them a very good team. I happen to like Okafor a lot and I believe a Kaman/Okafor front court would be very very strong. The only problem is, they probably won't even make the playoffs in the West. Lakers Hornets Rockets Jazz Spurs Mavs Suns Warriors Nuggets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 It's probably safe to take the Warriors off that list until they find another real PG, or possibly another big man as well. Davis really made that work, and they still missed the playoffs last year even with him. It's generally not a good sign when your 4 best players are wings. However, Portland should be a MUCH bigger threat assuming Oden is even close to healthy, so the point remains valid. It won't be easy to make serious noise out west. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 9, 2008 Share Posted July 9, 2008 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 04:42 PM) It's probably safe to take the Warriors off that list until they find another real PG, or possibly another big man as well. Davis really made that work, and they still missed the playoffs last year even with him. It's generally not a good sign when your 4 best players are wings. However, Portland should be a MUCH bigger threat assuming Oden is even close to healthy, so the point remains valid. It won't be easy to make serious noise out west. That's true about GS. Maybe Monta Ellis will committ to being more of a PG then a SG with 4-5 assists per. Even if Oden isn't healthy, they still have Bayless, Roy, Aldridge, Webster, etc., and that should be good enough to get them an 8 or better. You could be right. Denver is a mess and should be 10x better then they are with Camby, Carmelo, and Iverson, but they aren't. The Mavs window shut last year to making a run, and the Suns lost D'Antoni so I'm not sure they'll be running that up and down offense which Stoudemire and Nash exceed at (Shaq might like that, though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3480488 NBA trying to intervene in the Schultz's lawsuit against Clay Bennett Theres a shocker...go f*** yourself David Stern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Breach of contract cases like this are pretty brutal. If Schultz can get it passed the first stages, he could easily ask for a temporary restraining order be placed on the Sonics from moving until the outcome of the case. A case this complicated could take years to litigate to completion. If the NBA cant bounce it through summary judgment it could really be a huge mess as the court could stop the move, and force the team to stay in Seattle for a while. As I have no idea on the contract or related documents (especially the waiver and NBA rules) its really hard to say for sure what will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 12:55 PM) I'm not really sure, maybe I'm wrong. I thought that Seattle did that with Rashard Lewis last year though so he could get more money. Was he a restricted free agent? I didn't think so. Maybe it no longer applies once they hit the open market and is only good when signing an extension, or maybe the option years throw the whole thing off. Here's a bit of info: Per the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement, a renounced player no longer counts toward team salary, so teams use renouncement to gain additional cap room. After renouncing a player, the team is still permitted to re-sign such player, but the team must either have enough salary cap room to fit the salary, or sign the player using the Minimum Salary exception. After renouncing a player, a team can still trade the player in a sign-and-trade agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Those summer league announcers are pretty funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Rose getting an MRI on that knee is making me kind of nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 11, 2008 -> 08:49 AM) Rose getting an MRI on that knee is making me kind of nervous. Agreed. This seems like one of those "precautionary" measures that the coaches downplay only for the player, in this case Rose, to miss about 20 games over the course of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Rose and I have something in common. I was just diagnosed with knee tendinitis. Took me a couple of weeks to get over completely. A few days were pretty tough walking wise. I had a precautionary MRI. If it is not tendinitis, could be a meniscus tear or strain which is also no big deal. Simple arthroscopic surgery. Doctors are not going to confuse tendinitis with anything ACL or MCL wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 Marcus Camby traded to the Clippers for jack s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFanForever Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jul 16, 2008 -> 05:22 AM) Marcus Camby traded to the Clippers for jack s***. Traded for the right to switch draft picks? Seriously? We could have beaten that if we really wanted him. C'mon now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 The Nuggest were desperate to dump salary so that they didn't have to pay the luxury tax. That's what you get when you resign Nene to a 60/6 deal though, and have Kenyon Martin making close to a max contract. The Bulls would have had to trade either Hinrich or Hughes to be able to acquire Camby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFanForever @ Jul 16, 2008 -> 07:48 AM) Traded for the right to switch draft picks? Seriously? We could have beaten that if we really wanted him. C'mon now. They aren't under the salary cap and couldn't have done that type of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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