ZoomSlowik Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (rangercal @ Oct 23, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) exactly. Like zoom said, no point of him even being on the roster. But I have to disagree with him having NO trade value. I think any expiring contract would have trade value. But, he won't be a free agent until the summer of 2010. (there's that number again) He'll obviously have trade value once his contract gets closer to expiring, but I have zero faith in the Bulls actually MAKING a deal for a star player that would make having Hughes' $13 mil salary on the books worth it. I'm not even sure who we would target, the big name players I can think of that would be available don't make a ton of sense unless Utah thinks they're going to lose Boozer (and that would require giving up actual talent) or possibly Michael Redd. Guys like AI, Carter and Marion don't really make a whole lot of sense for money, age and/or position reasons. Edited October 23, 2008 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Oct 23, 2008 -> 04:57 PM) He'll obviously have trade value once his contract gets closer to expiring, but I have zero faith in the Bulls actually MAKING a deal for a star player that would make having Hughes' $13 mil salary on the books worth it. I'm not even sure who we would target, the big name players I can think of that would be available don't make a ton of sense unless Utah thinks they're going to lose Boozer (and that would require giving up actual talent) or possibly Michael Redd. Guys like AI, Carter and Marion don't really make a whole lot of sense for money, age and/or position reasons. what about keeping Hughes and let his deal expire in 2010 and sign one of those Big Free agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 QUOTE (rangercal @ Oct 23, 2008 -> 02:45 PM) what about keeping Hughes and let his deal expire in 2010 and sign one of those Big Free agents? The problem is, I'm not sure that even Hughes's expiring deal gets us far enough under the cap to really make a run at Wade if we're still holding Hinrich and Nocioni and Deng. Especially if we somehow resign or replace Gordon. You have to turn Hinrich/Noc in to an additional expiring contract to really make a LBJ/Wade run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 23, 2008 -> 04:34 PM) The problem is, I'm not sure that even Hughes's expiring deal gets us far enough under the cap to really make a run at Wade if we're still holding Hinrich and Nocioni and Deng. Especially if we somehow resign or replace Gordon. You have to turn Hinrich/Noc in to an additional expiring contract to really make a LBJ/Wade run. I don't really think that's the case unless my math is off. Unless I'm mistaken, the cap will be somewhere between $60 and $65 mil. For the purposes of this discussion I'm going to assume that they let Gordon walk and renounce Simmons' rights rather than make the $3.7 mil qualifying offer (obviously if they re-sign Gordon things change drastically, but I digress). The salaries work out like this for 2010/11: Hinrich- 9 mil Deng- roughly 11.4 mil Nocioni- 6.85 mil Rose- 5.55 mil option Noah- 3.2 mil option Thomas- 6.3 mil qualifying offer (cap hold) Thabo- 3.8 mil qualifying offer (cap hold) That comes out to just over $46 mil for those 7 players, so if the cap is around $63 mil (it seems to go up about $2 mil every year and was at about $59 mil this year), then it's pretty close to being able to offer him $17 mil for the first year, and that's the only one that matters for cap purposes. They'd probably have to release some scrubs and/or renounce Thabo's rights, but they can make a competitive offer even without unloading Hinrich or Noc. However, it's obviously easier if they move one of those two, and JR would have to go WELL into luxury tax territory. Re-signing Gordon would basically kill any chances, but that seems unlikely at this point. Edit- Crap, I forgot to factor in 1st round picks for each of the next two seasons, which could be quite a chunk of change depending on where the Bulls end up (assuming they keep the picks of course). That's probably at least $5 mil and could be close to $10 mil if the Bulls really suck or get lucky again. Alright, I concede, unloading Hinrich or Noc would be necessary (that or renouncing Tyrus, which seems unlikely), though that will be easier with both deals being front-loaded. Edited October 24, 2008 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Bulls showing some fight tonite. Specifically Kirk Hinrich vs Richard jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Oct 24, 2008 -> 09:51 PM) Bulls showing some fight tonite. Specifically Kirk Hinrich vs Richard jefferson Good. Bulls need to work on that trade value. edit: Just looked at the box score. Hinrich has 21 pts, 8 assists and 7 turnovers. That really offsets anything positive he has done in the game so far. Edited October 25, 2008 by rangercal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Typical. 20 pts lead and they blow it and head to OT. Some things never change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Considering Hinrich can't play point, if we're honest with ourselves, the Bulls have two shooting guards that we know can't shoot in Hinrich and Hughes. Could be three if Sefolosha doesn't show anything this year, although he will hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Hinrich has always been partially handicapped on the Bulls. Put him with the right personel and your talking about a very valuable player. All Star, absolutely not, but above average, certainly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 25, 2008 -> 08:37 AM) Hinrich has always been partially handicapped on the Bulls. Put him with the right personel and your talking about a very valuable player. All Star, absolutely not, but above average, certainly. I've always thought Hinrich would be an ideal #3 guy on a team with a dominant scoring guard. Put him next to Wade, or Kobe, or TMac, somewhere that he doesn't have to generate shots for people but where he can help out by being the solid guard defender that gives the big name guy a break on the defensive end, and he'd be in the perfect role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 25, 2008 -> 02:00 PM) I've always thought Hinrich would be an ideal #3 guy on a team with a dominant scoring guard. Put him next to Wade, or Kobe, or TMac, somewhere that he doesn't have to generate shots for people but where he can help out by being the solid guard defender that gives the big name guy a break on the defensive end, and he'd be in the perfect role. Exactly, give him a team with a good big and scoring guard and you are talking Hinrich up as a very good player. He could be very much what Manu was (obviously in a different position) to Duncan and Parker. Obviously Manu has more ability than Hinrich at this point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 TALKBULLS.COM TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 The Bulls are supposed to be on WGN tonite, right? Im looking at my guide and it has all of the regular programming listed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted October 28, 2008 Share Posted October 28, 2008 WGN is what I saw. I am so pumped right now! after baseball, I live for the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Hinrich and Gordon looked VERY unhappy during introductions, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (The Critic @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 07:43 PM) Hinrich and Gordon looked VERY unhappy during introductions, lol. This is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (The Critic @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 07:43 PM) Hinrich and Gordon looked VERY unhappy during introductions, lol. Not sure why Gordon would be upset. Didn't play all pre-season. I like the taller backcourt that Del Negro is trying tonight with Thabo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Thought this would be appropriate for tonight....one of the best youtube clips around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 07:46 PM) Thought this would be appropriate for tonight....one of the best youtube clips around I covered Rose in high school. So weird seeing him in a Bulls uni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (Brian @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 07:48 PM) I covered Rose in high school. So weird seeing him in a Bulls uni. yeah, I saw him play a bunch in H.S. It's strange to think that less than two years ago I was watching him in High School. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 This is fun so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 I love Rose's ball handling. Like poetry in motion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 The only concern about Rose is he seems like he's always going to be dinged up. Reminds me a lot of Baron Davis in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Deng with the STRONG finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 28, 2008 -> 07:54 PM) The only concern about Rose is he seems like he's always going to be dinged up. Reminds me a lot of Baron Davis in that regard. Free throw shooting as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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