nitetrain8601 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 QUOTE (MHizzle85 @ Jan 15, 2009 -> 07:07 PM) Bulls fans. How much does Lebron go for tonight? I say 40. 37. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 23. He won't need that many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 I know its only been a few games, but Hinrich looks a lot more aggressive. Last year he was just unbelievably passive in every facet of his game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 His job is on the line, he goes to any other team its hello bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 lol, the foul that LeBron tried to pin on Nocioni wasnt even close to a foul. i will be the first to admit that Nocioni is rough(read: dirty), but not that time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jan 15, 2009 -> 07:58 PM) lol, the foul that LeBron tried to pin on Nocioni wasnt even close to a foul. i will be the first to admit that Nocioni is rough(read: dirty), but not that time You should know LeBron has never committed a foul in his life and every time he has missed a shot, it was the mistake of the referee because a foul should have been called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 say what you want, the Bulls are competing tonite. The Cavs have flat out embarrassed them this year, the Bulls look pretty good tonite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jan 15, 2009 -> 09:43 PM) say what you want, the Bulls are competing tonite. The Cavs have flat out embarrassed them this year, the Bulls look pretty good tonite Yeah they do. Just don't lay a clunker in OT. Hinrich needs to be in the game right now, Rose is kinda lost with the ball. As good as he is driving to the hoop, his defense and bad ball control is hurting us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 But his driving ability is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 Damn, Bulls just exploded all of a sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 And Rose's driving ability is completely opening the floor for Deng and Hinrich to get open looks at threes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) Once Deng hit that last long bounce three lebron just looked like he didnt care anymore. He just dribbled down the floor, jacked a three that he missed and jogged back to defense LOL, the bulls announcer just butchered Sasha Pavlovic's name Edited January 16, 2009 by kyyle23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 (edited) Huge win for the Bulls. This could be the start of something good. Finally healthy, win against the best team in the league and a great defensive effort against one of the top two offensive players in basketball. This is HUGE. Now let's go and get some more. Edited January 16, 2009 by maggsmaggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyWhiteSox Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jan 15, 2009 -> 07:07 PM) Deng doesn't even seem like half the player he used to be. He's only had ONE pretty good year... I have NOT liked the money he got since the very moment I heard it. Yeah, I felt we needed him more than gordon, but not for that much. Ridiculous he got that much coming off the year he did. There is not one move pax has made (and many he has not made) that I have liked. And Pooh doesn't count. Thank goodness he's from Chicago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 15, 2009 -> 10:07 PM) I have NOT liked the money he got since the very moment I heard it. That money made a lot more sense when he rejected it after 06-07. Him signing the same deal this year was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 15, 2009 -> 11:59 PM) Huge win for the Bulls. This could be the start of something good. Finally healthy, win against the best team in the league and a great defensive effort against one of the top two offensive players in basketball. This is HUGE. Now let's go and get some more. what? a run at a #8 seed in the playoffs only to get swept by boston? Give me a lottery pick instead and be in a position to trade it with some of our scraps to find Rose a sidekick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Jan 15, 2009 -> 08:07 PM) He's only had ONE pretty good year... I have NOT liked the money he got since the very moment I heard it. Yeah, I felt we needed him more than gordon, but not for that much. Ridiculous he got that much coming off the year he did. There is not one move pax has made (and many he has not made) that I have liked. And Pooh doesn't count. Thank goodness he's from Chicago... One thing about Deng right now...the offense we're running currently isn't really tailored to him any more. His job in the current offense is to sort of sit outside and wait for a shot to come to him rather than generate anything. Yeah, his performance is down, but if he's not in position to do what he's good at, we ought to expect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 16, 2009 -> 11:24 AM) One thing about Deng right now...the offense we're running currently isn't really tailored to him any more. His job in the current offense is to sort of sit outside and wait for a shot to come to him rather than generate anything. Yeah, his performance is down, but if he's not in position to do what he's good at, we ought to expect that. That's what annoys me, numerous people on this board realize that Deng floating out around the perimeter is a bad thing because he's not quick enough to consistently get to the basket from there nor a good enough shooter to hit the long 2-pointer regularly, and yet they still put him out there. What he can do is move well without the ball, finish when he does get around the basket (he's regularly been around 60% in the basket area) and hit a pretty good number of mid-range jumpers. Is it really that hard to set up a curl or pin-down for him once in a while? It's not like your other players are lighting it up with their current system, especially if Rose and/or Gordon is having a rough night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 16, 2009 -> 11:24 AM) One thing about Deng right now...the offense we're running currently isn't really tailored to him any more. His job in the current offense is to sort of sit outside and wait for a shot to come to him rather than generate anything. Yeah, his performance is down, but if he's not in position to do what he's good at, we ought to expect that. Yeah, if you can't do one of two things, you're useless in this offense. That's drive or shoot. Deng's dribbling isn't great, but he doesn't have a even decent first step(which is how a slow guy like Pierce actually gets his shot off), he doesn't have footwork, and he lost his jumpshot about a year and a half ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted January 16, 2009 Share Posted January 16, 2009 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jan 16, 2009 -> 11:51 AM) That's what annoys me, numerous people on this board realize that Deng floating out around the perimeter is a bad thing because he's not quick enough to consistently get to the basket from there nor a good enough shooter to hit the long 2-pointer regularly, and yet they still put him out there. What he can do is move well without the ball, finish when he does get around the basket (he's regularly been around 60% in the basket area) and hit a pretty good number of mid-range jumpers. Is it really that hard to set up a curl or pin-down for him once in a while? It's not like your other players are lighting it up with their current system, especially if Rose and/or Gordon is having a rough night. Well the thing is, VDN wants to run a more efficient D'Antoni offense. That's one big reason the offense looks so godawful outside of nights when Gordon and Rose are lighting it up. Deng is not suited at all for this and neither are any of our frontcourt players minus maybe Tyrus. You have to be able to hit a jumpshot, which again, Deng has not been able to do since 06/07, and/or have to be able to drive at will which Deng never has been able to do. Deng would be ideal in the Kings princeton offense of the Adelman days, or even Skiles' offense which calls for a ton of movement. Under a guy like VDN and even D'Antoni, Deng does not work whatsoever. His skillset isn't tailored for that. This is why I give VDN some slack. It's his first year and the players are in a completely different offense. The reason why a lot of the time, you don't see many plays called is because we have dumbarse players on this team, literally. VDN has stated they had to take alot of the plays and movement out of the offense because many of the players couldn't grasp it(I'm looking at you mainly Noah). And Skiles complained about it the year before too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 (edited) There's a difference between "dumbing down" the offense and doing what the Bulls are doing right now. Their offensive basically consists of 3 guys standing on the perimeter while a big that can't run the pick-and-roll sets a pick for Rose, then if he doesn't get to the basket it gets kicked out to someone that generally passses it around the perimeter or takes a long jumper. They really run more of a quasi-DDR offense than D'Antoni's system (though with picks), they don't really do the "7 seconds or less" thing and they don't shoot anywhere near enough 3's. Plus if that's really what their goal was then either Del Negro is an idiot for forcing a system that they know they're not suited for or Paxson is an idiot for not bringing in different players that can run the system (if they knew that was the system they were going with than yes, re-signing Deng was not smart). Either way it's a serious mess. Skiles at least got it to work with most of the same core for a while and they played better defense too. I'm more inclined to believe that Del Negro isn't quite sure what he wants to do or how to do it and that the players don't respect him at all than anything else. Edited January 17, 2009 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jan 16, 2009 -> 06:47 PM) There's a difference between "dumbing down" the offense and doing what the Bulls are doing right now. Their offensive basically consists of 3 guys standing on the perimeter while a big that can't run the pick-and-roll sets a pick for Rose, then if he doesn't get to the basket it gets kicked out to someone that generally passses it around the perimeter or takes a long jumper. They really run more of a quasi-DDR offense than D'Antoni's system (though with picks), they don't really do the "7 seconds or less" thing and they don't shoot anywhere near enough 3's. Plus if that's really what their goal was then either Del Negro is an idiot for forcing a system that they know they're not suited for or Paxson is an idiot for not bringing in different players that can run the system (if they knew that was the system they were going with than yes, re-signing Deng was not smart). Either way it's a serious mess. Skiles at least got it to work with most of the same core for a while and they played better defense too. I'm more inclined to believe that Del Negro isn't quite sure what he wants to do or how to do it and that the players don't respect him at all than anything else. At this point, with our current players, there is no difference. I know offhand Del Harris, Bickerstaff, VDN, Skiles and Ron Adams all complained about the players' lack of understanding the playbook and Adams and Skiles main culprit for this was Noah as he never would be in the proper spot three seconds into the play. That's from the inside. Guys like Tyrus has taken more time to get a grasp on things as well as Thabo and they still don't understand it(though Tyrus and Thabo have attempted to learn it and are really putting in effort which is why management still doesn't want to let them go). The offense is supposed to be a more efficient version of D'Antoni's offense, but not the exact thing. For example, it's not necessarily SSOL, but it follows the same European style of spreading the floor our, and allowing a wide open lane for penetration. If the defense collapses, we're supposed to kick out for an open three, but just like D'Antoni's offense, there's certain spots players are supposed to be in at all times. Again, the players had a hard time learning the offense/sports, so VDN scrapped most of it. Now the pick and roll is supposed to be implemented as well, but it's supposed to be way more complex in terms of, there's supposed to be a ton more movement around the pick and roll, but again, the offense was dumbed down so that's not what you are seeing. All in all, it's supposed to be European offense with spots like D'Antoni runs with a little dribble drive motion mixed in. There's not supposed to be much posting up at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Think it's about time to start looking at the Magic as a legitimate contender in the EC. They've got to be the least talked about 32-8 team I can remember. Very impressive road win against by far the best team in the west tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 17, 2009 -> 04:18 AM) Think it's about time to start looking at the Magic as a legitimate contender in the EC. They've got to be the least talked about 32-8 team I can remember. Very impressive road win against by far the best team in the west tonight. Yeah, I agree. I was not sold on them in the beginning of the season, I'm sold now. Dbaho, looks like you have something special in the works with Orlando. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 17, 2009 -> 02:18 AM) Think it's about time to start looking at the Magic as a legitimate contender in the EC. They've got to be the least talked about 32-8 team I can remember. Very impressive road win against by far the best team in the west tonight. Come playoff time, I'm still not convinced enough that they have a guy who can create for himself when key baskets are needed. We shall see though. They are definitely one of the top 2 teams in the East. I still don't consider Cleveland all that great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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