Official 2008-2009 NBA Thread

[BigSqwert]

Doug Collins is the new Bulls coach according to ESPN 1000 and Chicago Sun Times.

suntimes.com confirms

[Kyyle23]

I think I might be a little sick with this one.

 

 

RE TREAD

[daa84]

sounds like beasley can drain

 

Michael Beasley, PF, Kansas State

 

Beasley was the first player on the floor but the last to go through the workout. While other workouts were going on, we all watched in awe as Beasley drained NBA 3-pointer after NBA 3-pointer. That continued in the workouts, in which Beasley shot as well as any prospect here. Deep or midrange, Beasley can shoot the lights out.

 

I also caught a sneak peek of Beasley's vertical jump test. He touched the 11-foot-9 mark on his running jump. Assuming he has a standing reach of about 8-foot-10, that's a 35-inch vertical. Not off the charts, but not too shabby, either.

 

Derrick Rose, PG, Memphis

 

Rose won't look especially great in these drills. His jump shot is his weakness, though it's not as bad as some people make it out to be. He hit a respectable number of shots in the workouts and showed his value with his speed, leaping ability and ballhandling.

[knightni]

Yep. Trade Gooden and Noc/Gordon for a point guard and draft Beasley.

[SleepyWhiteSox]

Yep. Trade Gooden and Noc/Gordon for a point guard and draft Beasley.

 

Because Derrick Cole...I mean Beasley hit a few uncontested 3s??

 

There's not a (huge) doubt in my mind that he can immediately be a 20-10 guy and prolific scorer, but I'm still enamored with what Rose could become...

[knightni]

Because Derrick Cole...I mean Beasley hit a few uncontested 3s??

 

There's not a (huge) doubt in my mind that he can immediately be a 20-10 guy and prolific scorer, but I'm still enamored with what Rose could become...

 

If Rose has no outside shot now, he's certainly not going to develop one in the pros.

[whitesoxfan101]

If Rose has no outside shot now, he's certainly not going to develop one in the pros.

 

There have been more than a few pros to develop an outside shot at the NBA level. If your a great shooter, you just are, but guys have developed a respectable outside game at the NBA level through repetition, and that is all Rose needs with his point guard skills.

[Rowand44]

If Rose has no outside shot now, he's certainly not going to develop one in the pros.

Plenty of great players have developed a jump shot in the pros. The mechanics for Rose's shot is there, he'll be just fine as a jump shooter.

[Brian]

Plenty of great players have developed a jump shot in the pros. The mechanics for Rose's shot is there, he'll be just fine as a jump shooter.

 

I don't get where this reputation of him not being a good shooter came from. I didn't see many Memphis games, but in high school when he had to knock down a 3, which was rare as dominating those teams were, he could do it, and from NBA range. Bulls will have plenty of shooters where Rose wouldn't have to anyway.

[fathom]

If Rose has no outside shot now, he's certainly not going to develop one in the pros.

 

Deron Williams was a mediocre shooting during his time with the Illini.

[whitesoxfan99]

Deron Williams was a mediocre shooting during his time with the Illini.

 

And as a freshman his outside game was bad enough that it was actually a liability at times. I know this post will be Illini heavy but Luther Head is another guy who as a freshman was a mediocre shooter at best and he has become a great 3 pt shooter. There are tons of guards who weren't great shooters at 19 that become very good or even great outside shooters. Rose has great form on his jump shot and he is not near as bad from the outside as some people make him out to be. I'd actually be pretty surprised if Rose does not become a very good outside shooter.

[fathom]

And as a freshman his outside game was bad enough that it was actually a liability at times. I know this post will be Illini heavy but Luther Head is another guy who as a freshman was a mediocre shooter at best and he has become a great 3 pt shooter. There are tons of guards who weren't great shooters at 19 that become very good or even great outside shooters. Rose has great form on his jump shot and he is not near as bad from the outside as some people make him out to be. I'd actually be pretty surprised if Rose does not become a very good outside shooter.

 

I believe it was at Indiana during Deron's freshman year. It was a shooting performance that would make Chester Frazier proud.

[SoxFan1]

If Rose has no outside shot now, he's certainly not going to develop one in the pros.

Umm? Talk about a double-standard. Everyone has faith in the 21 year old Tyrus Thomas to become Shawn Marion and develop a "J" but 19 year old Derrick Rose has no chance? WTF. Considering Rose has tons more talent and potential than Tyrus...yikes.

[whitesoxbrian]

Draft Rose. Trade TT, Gordon, Hinrich, and Gray to LAC for Brand.

 

Rose

Noc

Deng

Gooden/Noah

Brand

 

Not too shabby.

[Chisoxfn]

I'm starting to lean towards Beasley. Offensively he can be a true force, ie the super star. The type of guy that no team can defend and he should be able to consistently score (and become the type of guy that goes to the line 10 times a game). That is something the Bulls haven't had since Jordan and it would be a tremendous addition to the offense.

 

I would go with Beasley/Deng/Sef/Hinrich and find a way to acquire a legit C (and than rotate other guys in and out, including Noah/Thomas (who would both get significant minutes coming in, as would Nocioni). Defensively you'd be a bit undersized, but all of the wing players are good rebounders for there position and defensively you'd have to hope the center you acquire can be a shut-down type (plus you have Noah off the bench in case you need to ocassionally slide Sef or Hinrich to the bench and move Beasley to more of a 3 position.

[whitesoxbrian]

I'm just curious- since when is a 6'9 player going to be an inside force? Will he be able to score on/defend guys like Ilgauskas, Garnett, Bynum/Gasol, Rasheed, Tyson Chandler, etc.?

[MHizzle85]

Draft Rose. Trade TT, Gordon, Hinrich, and Gray to LAC for Brand.

 

Rose

Noc

Deng

Gooden/Noah

Brand

 

Not too shabby.

Noc as a 2? Not only that, a starting 2? Brand as the center? Please ship me some of whatever you're smoking, it's gotta be GREAT stuff.

[Palehosefan]

Draft Rose. Trade TT, Gordon, Hinrich, and Gray to LAC for Brand.

 

Rose

Noc

Deng

Gooden/Noah

Brand

Not too shabby.

 

+

 

I'm just curious- since when is a 6'9 player going to be an inside force? Will he be able to score on/defend guys like Ilgauskas, Garnett, Bynum/Gasol, Rasheed, Tyson Chandler, etc.?

 

= ????

[SoxFan1]

In the "Trade for Brand" scenario, the line-up probably ends up looking like:

 

PG Rose

SG Thabo/Hughes/Gordon (in that order)

SF Deng

PF Brand

C Noah

 

I've been an advocate of this move for a while now.

[Steve9347]

In the "Trade for Brand" scenario, the line-up probably ends up looking like:

 

PG Rose

SG Thabo/Hughes/Gordon (in that order)

SF Deng

PF Brand

C Noah

 

I've been an advocate of this move for a while now.

I'd be more of a fan of making a deal for Okafor, because his age is more in alignment with this mini rebuild.

[SoxFan1]

I'd be more of a fan of making a deal for Okafor, because his age is more in alignment with this mini rebuild.

That would definitely also be a target, but I personally feel that between his youth and the fact that he played all 82 last season, Charlotte will want far too much for a guy who really isn't all that fantastic offensively. Brand is a 20-10 guy at age 29 while Okafor is a 14-10 guy at age 26 (when the seasons starts). To be honest with you, there is no reason not to expect Noah to be able to put up Okafor numbers in a season or 2.

[jackie hayes]

That would definitely also be a target, but I personally feel that between his youth and the fact that he played all 82 last season, Charlotte will want far too much for a guy who really isn't all that fantastic offensively. Brand is a 20-10 guy at age 29 while Okafor is a 14-10 guy at age 26 (when the seasons starts). To be honest with you, there is no reason not to expect Noah to be able to put up Okafor numbers in a season or 2.

You'd also have to lock up Okafor at big money soon. With Brand, you could recover the cap space and sign a guy like Wade in two years.

[ZoomSlowik]

That would definitely also be a target, but I personally feel that between his youth and the fact that he played all 82 last season, Charlotte will want far too much for a guy who really isn't all that fantastic offensively. Brand is a 20-10 guy at age 29 while Okafor is a 14-10 guy at age 26 (when the seasons starts). To be honest with you, there is no reason not to expect Noah to be able to put up Okafor numbers in a season or 2.

 

Unless Rose actually does become Chris Paul soon, no. Okafor actually has SOME ability in the post and can hit a turnaround jumper, and was a monster offensive threat at UConn. He's not a go-to post option by any stretch, but he's more than capable and his FG% went way up when he stopped taking so many jumpshots. He averages 14 a game even as a poor free throw shooter and takes about as many shoots as Drew Gooden (who normally gets closer to 12). Unless Noah gets drastically better as a shooter/post-up player he's not going to get much more than what his teammates can create for him, and his shooting form and strength leave something to be desired. 8-10 he can do with playing time, I wouldn't expect a whole lot more than that though, if it does somehow happen it's a bonus.

 

That said, paying him significant money on a long term deal wouldn't be high on my list given his history of frailty and the fact that he's good but just not an impact player.

Edited June 2, 2008 by ZoomSlowik

[whitesoxbrian]

Agreed on Okafor. He'd be too much, and like somebody said, Noah could be a 15-9 guy in a few years, so there's no need in trading the organization for Okafor.

[Metz]

Maybe the Bulls can sign Arenas hah

 

get the old Arenas and Hughes connection together and draft Beasely ha