Jimbo's Drinker Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Bulls are not trading, Paxson is a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 04:27 AM) Bulls are not trading, Paxson is a moron. Exactly. However, I'd take Stoudemire or Bosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (rangercal @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 01:09 AM) I don't think I can agree on that. However, Bosh is a STUD. Dude, Bosh can score just as well as Amare, but also plays lock-down defense. I don't believe this rumor at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Paxson f'ed up when he put his eggs in the Deng/Gordon basket and is still afraid of moving any guy he drafts. Thomas may be good but I recall a few years ago when Deng was talked about as being a go to guy as well as Gordon. Paxson should give up whatever just to have the opportunity look at somethign different. It worked well for the Celtics. In regard to draft picks outside of Rose drafting highly has not working real well for the Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 09:11 AM) Paxson f'ed up when he put his eggs in the Deng/Gordon basket and is still afraid of moving any guy he drafts. Thomas may be good but I recall a few years ago when Deng was talked about as being a go to guy as well as Gordon. Paxson should give up whatever just to have the opportunity look at somethign different. It worked well for the Celtics. In regard to draft picks outside of Rose drafting highly has not working real well for the Bulls. i'm sure pax would gladly rid himself of Tyrus, Gooden et. al. the problem is, why the f*** would the Suns trade Amare for a trade centering around Tyrus? Tyrus is not good. He's not. Amare is good, he is. we're stuck with a bunch of s*** that nobody wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 11:47 AM) i'm sure pax would gladly rid himself of Tyrus, Gooden et. al. the problem is, why the f*** would the Suns trade Amare for a trade centering around Tyrus? Tyrus is not good. He's not. Amare is good, he is. we're stuck with a bunch of s*** that nobody wants. Well here's the thing. Robert Sarver's desperate to cut costs here. He's losing money in Phoenix. If he could get expiring contracts and Tyrus Thomas for Amare, I think he would consider it. The Suns firing Porter and hiring Gentry I think makes it more likely that they hang onto Amare now though. If anything, they'd probably trade Shaq now if they could (which shows how screwed up that franchise is ATM). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 09:36 AM) If he could get expiring contracts and Tyrus Thomas for Amare, I think he would consider it. I'll bet you that, whether I like it or not, if we could have done Gooden + Thomas + filler for Amare, the Bulls would have made the deal. Every report we're hearing this morning says it was the Suns who weren't happy with the offers they got. Either they wanted bigger talent than they were offered or they wanted more cap space. That means that for the Bulls it might have been Thomas + Noah + Thabo + Gooden, clearing out the whole frontcourt, or perhaps that might not have been enough to tempt the Suns either, if they wanted a bigger expiring deal than we had. I think it's likely that the big packages (Aldridge + Cap space, or Conley+Gay+Warrick from the Grizz) were out there because that's the kind of pay the Suns wanted for him. They wanted the other team to meet a price that would be silly for the other team to meet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 12:39 PM) I'll bet you that, whether I like it or not, if we could have done Gooden + Thomas + filler for Amare, the Bulls would have made the deal. Every report we're hearing this morning says it was the Suns who weren't happy with the offers they got. Either they wanted bigger talent than they were offered or they wanted more cap space. That means that for the Bulls it might have been Thomas + Noah + Thabo + Gooden, clearing out the whole frontcourt, or perhaps that might not have been enough to tempt the Suns either, if they wanted a bigger expiring deal than we had. I think it's likely that the big packages (Aldridge + Cap space, or Conley+Gay+Warrick from the Grizz) were out there because that's the kind of pay the Suns wanted for him. They wanted the other team to meet a price that would be silly for the other team to meet. I think that's the thing, they want a bigger expiring deal then what the Bulls were willing to offer. That's why I think Portland has the best chance of anybody of getting him if they want, but they'll probably end up trading LaFrentz's deal for John Salmons I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 11:39 AM) I'll bet you that, whether I like it or not, if we could have done Gooden + Thomas + filler for Amare, the Bulls would have made the deal. Every report we're hearing this morning says it was the Suns who weren't happy with the offers they got. Either they wanted bigger talent than they were offered or they wanted more cap space. That means that for the Bulls it might have been Thomas + Noah + Thabo + Gooden, clearing out the whole frontcourt, or perhaps that might not have been enough to tempt the Suns either, if they wanted a bigger expiring deal than we had. I think it's likely that the big packages (Aldridge + Cap space, or Conley+Gay+Warrick from the Grizz) were out there because that's the kind of pay the Suns wanted for him. They wanted the other team to meet a price that would be silly for the other team to meet. I think you are entirely accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 09:44 AM) I think that's the thing, they want a bigger expiring deal then what the Bulls were willing to offer. That's why I think Portland has the best chance of anybody of getting him if they want, but they'll probably end up trading LaFrentz's deal for John Salmons I would say. Come on Pax, LaFrentz for Hinrich. Or Sczerbiak for Hinrich. If you can't move on Amare then clear some cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 This deal sounds more like a bulls move: NYK Tyrus Hughes Bulls Malik Allen David Lee Jared Jeffries This was reported on ESPN.com print your finals tickets now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SexiAlexei Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 12:47 PM) This deal sounds more like a bulls move: NYK Tyrus Hughes Bulls Malik Allen David Lee Jared Jeffries This was reported on ESPN.com print your finals tickets now. Where do you even see that? This is the only thing I've heard even close to that; Mucha (CP): Who do the Bulls end up with by Friday? Chad Ford: (1:16 PM ET ) Right now, it doesn't look good folks. They were seriously in the Stoudemire talks, but it sounds like they've cooled down. Bosh isn't happening. I don't see any other scenario that's cooking for them right now. Here's what I think they should do (though I don't think this has been discussed by either team) Tyrus Thomas and Larry Hughes for David Lee, Malik Rose and Jared Jeffries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Chandler probably going to the Thunder deal is close to done. There goes Chandlers career. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3913301 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (MurcieOne @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 02:47 PM) This deal sounds more like a bulls move: NYK Tyrus Hughes Bulls Malik Allen David Lee Jared Jeffries This was reported on ESPN.com print your finals tickets now. um...and by reported do you mean it was suggested by a columnist as a trade that he thinks should be made, but has absolutely no substance or rumor of it even being talked? I am not saying that they will happen, or that they even have been discussed by teams -- I'm just saying they should happen. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...eOptions-090217 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 01:56 PM) Chandler probably going to the Thunder deal is close to done. There goes Chandlers career. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3913301 I actually think the Thunder could be a .500 team next season. PG - Westbrook SG - ? SF - Durant PF - Green C - Chandler Bench; Watson Kristic Mason Weaver And they'll probably have a top 5 pick to use also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 02:05 PM) I actually think the Thunder could be a .500 team next season. PG - Westbrook SG - ? SF - Durant PF - Green C - Chandler Bench; Watson Kristic Mason Weaver And they'll probably have a top 5 pick to use also. Add Blake Griffin to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (Brian @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 02:13 PM) Add Blake Griffin to that. not necessarily, sacramento and washington both have worse records right now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (daa84 @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 02:15 PM) not necessarily, sacramento and washington both have worse records right now.... They should go after that SG from Arizona State (his name escapes me, Harden?). Durant and Green are the perfect F's for them right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (daa84 @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 12:58 PM) um...and by reported do you mean it was suggested by a columnist as a trade that he thinks should be made, but has absolutely no substance or rumor of it even being talked? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/stor...eOptions-090217 Chill out. I understood the premise of the article. It sounds more like a deal the bulls would make, than a blockbuster like acquiring Amare. I apologize if I misled you. next time I will make sure not to label an article reported by, when its suggested by an author. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 10:56 AM) Chandler probably going to the Thunder deal is close to done. There goes Chandlers career. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3913301 OKC was projected to be like $25 million under the cap next season. Taking on Chandler's contract in exchange for 2 expiring deals halves that. They could be a reasonable destination for Gordon, but the fact that they're taking on Chandler's contract gives me some hope that they won't be. There's a lot of other guys on the market as well who could be looking for a limited amount of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 If the Thunder drafted a SF/PF and was able to sign Gordon, I'd call them a playoff team for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurcieOne Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (DBAHO @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 02:42 PM) If the Thunder drafted a SF/PF and was able to sign Gordon, I'd call them a playoff team for next season. Westbrook, Chandler, Durant, Gordon... and a potentially very high lottery pick? they would definitely contend for a playoff spot for sure. I hope Durant gets a chance to play on some good teams, he looks too good to go to waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I too think that the Thunder can be a decent team next year but dont you guys think that Chandler's numbers will drop off dramatically? Paul was the best thing that ever happened to Chandler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 01:19 PM) I too think that the Thunder can be a decent team next year but dont you guys think that Chandler's numbers will drop off dramatically? Paul was the best thing that ever happened to Chandler. Trouble is, his numbers have already dropped off dramatically this season. That's part of the reason why this trade is happening...if the Hornets hadn't had the injury bug all year and people had played to expectations and they hadn't wasted money stupidly on a guy like Posey, they'd be right back up challenging for the top spot, and much more willing to go in to tax territory if needbe. Chandler is pulling down 8.3 rebounds per game this year. That's his worst # since the 2003-2004 season with the Bulls when he was playing 22 minutes per game and played only 35 games. His scoring has dropped from 11.8 to 8.8 ppg this year, and his FG %age has dropped from 62% each of the last 2 years to 56% this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (daa84 @ Feb 17, 2009 -> 01:15 PM) not necessarily, sacramento and washington both have worse records right now.... That's why the NBA has a draft lottery. They delivered LeBron to Cleveland, Rose to Chicago, hell it was started with Ewing to New York. I would be shocked if OKC doesn't end up with the #1 pick, regardless of record. Blake Griffin staying close to home is too good a story for the league to pass up on. Edited February 17, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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