whitesoxfan101 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 08:30 PM) If Hughes wasn't such a pain in the ass, that contract would be a HUGE asset next year. Between him and Miller, thats over 25 million coming off the books after 2010. Those 2 could be key at the trade deadline next year. True, but he is a huge pain in the ass, plus none of the deals coming back in that set of potential deals last past 2010 (I think even David Lee will be a restricted free agent this summer.) Edited February 19, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 06:31 PM) True, but he is a huge pain in the ass, plus none of the deals coming back in that set of potential deals last past 2010 (I think even David Lee will be a restricted free agent this summer.) But, do you just acquire David Lee and then let him walk? Otherwise, there goes your 2010 cap space unless you also can dump Hinrich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 08:37 PM) But, do you just acquire David Lee and then let him walk? Otherwise, there goes your 2010 cap space unless you also can dump Hinrich. Since Lee is a restriced free agent, I'd imagine they would do whatever it took to keep him for 1 year similar to what they did with Gordon this year, then let him walk in the summer of 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 06:04 PM) The only relevance of this trade was financial reasons. By the time the Bulls are good enough to matter, Brad Miller will be too old or on another team, and John Salmons is a journeyman having a career year who turns 30 in 10 months. It's a fitting Paxson type move, some noise with minimal to no relevance. I understand that this move along with perhaps moving Kirk Hinrich tomorrow puts the Bulls in better position for the summer of 2010, but do YOU trust John Paxson to make the big, good moves then? I don't. Hopefully he'll be gone though. Miller and Solmons give the Bulls nice depth that should help them make the playoffs both this year and next year though, plus Salmons gives them a guard for next season when Gordon leaves (assuming he does leave). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 09:04 PM) Miller and Solmons give the Bulls nice depth that should help them make the playoffs both this year and next year though, plus Salmons gives them a guard for next season when Gordon leaves (assuming he does leave). They have NO shot at winning a playoff series this year since they'd be playing one of the big 3 if they make it. As for Salmons being Gordon insurance, that's probably true, but Salmons is having a career year this year and still isn't the offensive player that Gordon is (I can't speak for Salmons defense, haven't seen him play a whole lot.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 07:09 PM) They have NO shot at winning a playoff series this year since they'd be playing one of the big 3 if they make it. As for Salmons being Gordon insurance, that's probably true, but Salmons is having a career year this year and still isn't the offensive player that Gordon is (I can't speak for Salmons defense, haven't seen him play a whole lot.) I'm not saying Salmons is better than Gordon, far from it. But if the Bulls pick up Bosh in 2010, they'll still have Salmons around (he'll probably accept his option) and you'd be talking about Salmons being either a 6th man or your starting 2 guard (yet he'd be option number 4 or 5 with Bosh/Deng/Rose all being ahead). To me that is the perfect spot to have a guy like John Salmons. Tyrus would probably be the 4th, imo. But Salmons could hit down the big 3's. I could also see a case in point for resigning Gordon if the Bulls were able to clear off enough other guys to make sure they could still make one max offer in 2010 (ie, Bosh, Amare, LBJ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Bulls game is super heated with awful officiating both ways. Kinda fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 If the Bulls find a way to deal Hinrich, I will definitely have a new found optimism for their future. Until now it seemed like we were going to be stuck in some kind of limbo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 09:17 PM) If the Bulls find a way to deal Hinrich, I will definitely have a new found optimism for their future. Until now it seemed like we were going to be stuck in some kind of limbo. Yeah they have to find a way to get rid of Kirk tomorrow. He's had a hell of a last game in the uniform tonight though, assuming whoever is in charge of the Bulls does their job tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 09:14 PM) I'm not saying Salmons is better than Gordon, far from it. But if the Bulls pick up Bosh in 2010, they'll still have Salmons around (he'll probably accept his option) and you'd be talking about Salmons being either a 6th man or your starting 2 guard (yet he'd be option number 4 or 5 with Bosh/Deng/Rose all being ahead). To me that is the perfect spot to have a guy like John Salmons. Tyrus would probably be the 4th, imo. But Salmons could hit down the big 3's. I could also see a case in point for resigning Gordon if the Bulls were able to clear off enough other guys to make sure they could still make one max offer in 2010 (ie, Bosh, Amare, LBJ). The bolded is the direction I expect the Bulls to head in, and that starts with dumping Kirk tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 11:17 PM) If the Bulls find a way to deal Hinrich, I will definitely have a new found optimism for their future. Until now it seemed like we were going to be stuck in some kind of limbo. I am 75% sure he will get traded. Between all the press releases and playing 10 more minutes than Rose tonight, it gives me hope. Kirk looks great tonight so that can't hurt either. Edited February 19, 2009 by rangercal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 06:57 PM) f*** it, he can have it if he signs with the bulls, I don't know you anymore..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Hell of a last game for Kirk if that indeed is the case with tonight's performance (hopefully it is.) Tyson Chandler failed his physical, and the trade has been rescinded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 The latest rumors... Hinrich to LAC for Kaman and Mike Taylor Hughes to either NYK (Rose, James, Robinson?), WAS (Thomas, James?) or PHI (Dalambert?) Hinrich to MIN for 2 of McCants/Collins/Cardinal Thabo to be traded for a young PG (Lowry? Bayless? Ukic?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 I would love Chris Kaman. I must also say that the only way I want Hinrich dealt is if we get cap relief and the Bulls plan on going all f***ing out in 2010 (or sooner) to get another star here. Thats it, no iffs ands or butts about it. Otherwise Hinrich is a far better player than most on here feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Per KC Johnson...the Huges to the Knicks deal fell through (was almost complete) and the Minny Hinrich swap was turned down by the Bulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 If the Bulls really did turn down the Hinrich deal, that's pretty bad. If you can get rid of that contract, you do it, period. Hopefully SOMETHING happens tomorrow, although it would be no surprise if nothing happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 Amare with 42-11 tonight.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo's Drinker Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 11:29 PM) Amare with 42-11 tonight.. oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHizzle85 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 11:29 PM) Amare with 42-11 tonight.. Yeah, he's not going anywhere now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Feb 18, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) If the Bulls really did turn down the Hinrich deal, that's pretty bad. If you can get rid of that contract, you do it, period. Hopefully SOMETHING happens tomorrow, although it would be no surprise if nothing happens. I don't necessarily agree with that logic. Hinrich has value. In fact, they could move him for Kaman right now (apparently). The question is what do the Bulls do with a front court of Miller/Kaman/Tyrus/Noah. Clearly they'd have to find a way to move one or two of those guys, but they might be able to do that in the off-season (Miller's contract, plus one of Noah/TT and others could net you that star for those trying to set things up for 2010). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 So after mulling this over for hours, I love the deal. Hearing now that Salmons is a quite guy makes me think he's gonna enjoy playing for a team with a shot at the playoffs. In Salmons, we get a new, much improved big man, upgrading from Nocioni to Salmons. He also improves our defense on the wings greatly. In Miller, we add a legit center who we can run some plays through. He's an excellent passer and is more consistent than Gooden. He also opens up the lane for Rose since he plays outside a bit more. So our current rotation looks like this... PG Rose SG Gordon SF Deng PF Thomas C Miller 6 Salmons 7 Noah 8 Hinrich 9 Sefolosha 10 Gray 11 Hunter 12 Hughes Not to mention, it gives us another expiring contract for the 2010 off-season, and possibly a 2nd as Salmons can opt out for 2010. And on top of all that, if/when Gordon leaves this summer, we've got a big, legit SG who can take over for him next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 (edited) Reasons I like the deal 1. John Salmons - Being an avid fantasy basketball player, I've been able to follow this guy over the last few years. He's proven that when given the minutes, eh can be a very good scorer, a #2 option on a good team. Sure, he's 29, but we now have a relatively cheap option at SG for the next few years, and can let Gordon walk without worries. Gordon can go get overpaid somewhere as Salmons is 5 inches taller, plays defense, and can shoot/drive just as well as Gordon ever could. Getting Salmons at this price was a steal. He's a high-percent shooting guard and high-character as well. 2. Brad Miller is better than Noah, Gray, and Gooden - We actually have a center, now. I'd say Brad Miller is the best all-around center we've had since... Brad Miller. Sure, he's old, but his contract expires in 2010, so he's not going to hold us down, and our offense will run incredibly smoothly with him on the floor. It's going to be like we have two point guards. 3. We didn't trade anything of value to do this one - This means we still have some cards to play with as 2pm approaches today. If nothing more happens, I'll be disappointed, but even then at least we have a lot of valuable pieces. I've never seen a roster this chock full of guys who'd be an AWESOME #3 option on any team. Unfortunately, we need another #1. Reasons I don't like the deal 1. For this year, too many guards - We still have half a season left. I would be in favor of Salmons starting for us, but we'll see if that comes to fruition. I'd hate to get a guy like that, who's just waiting for his shot, and then have him buried on a roster that also boasts Rose, Hinrich, Gordon, Thabo, etc etc. This is why I feel another deal must be made. You obviously can't trade Gordon (BIRD Rights), but Hinrich should be shipped out of here. I didn't include Hughes, because he's either going to be traded or going to be Starbury'd. 2. It doesn't really solve anything - A 32 year old center and a 29 year old SG. Sure, both are upgrades to the current roster, and might get us into the 7th or 8th seed of the playoffs. That's probably a bad thing though, as the best talent comes out of the lottery, and this would keep us out of there after a first round ass-kicking from the Celtics or Magic. In Conclusion Bulls win the trade. We look better for next year with Salmons locked up, but another year after this of being mediocre is ahead. The Bulls upgraded two spots in their lineup without giving up anything the franchise or any fans value. Obviously the Bulls have decided that they'll wait and make a run at a 2010 free agent. Whatever. You'd better f***ing land one of the top three then. Edited February 19, 2009 by Steve9347 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 One source insists that, with the Kings trade, Bulls GM John Paxson felt his team had made enough moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted February 19, 2009 Share Posted February 19, 2009 There are rumors that the Magic are shopping Redick and Cook hard for a PG after the Chris Paul debacle from last night. A lot of people also think Portland will definitely pull the trigger on some sort of deal today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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