gosox41 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Last year the Sox started out with the same exact record. It was right around this time that the bullpen fell apart (the offense was already bad.) Who would have guessed the Sox would have won only 48 more games from right before Memorial Day until the end the season. Also, last year the Sox high water mark was 4 games over .500. Same with this years team. Hopefully they'll break that tonight and extend this winning streak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (gosox41 @ May 21, 2008 -> 07:50 AM) Last year the Sox started out with the same exact record. It was right around this time that the bullpen fell apart (the offense was already bad.) Who would have guessed the Sox would have won only 48 more games from right before Memorial Day until the end the season. Also, last year the Sox high water mark was 4 games over .500. Same with this years team. Hopefully they'll break that tonight and extend this winning streak. And last years bullpen featured the veteran presence of Bobby Jenks. Not to say anything negative about Jenks...but when he is your "veteran", maybe you need to get a few non-teenagers on the team that have some long term experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Carols Quintin, Orlando Cabrerra, Nick Swisher, Alexi Ramirez, Octavio Dotel, Scott Linebrink, Gavin Floyd v. Darin Erstad......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ May 21, 2008 -> 10:15 AM) Carols Quintin, Orlando Cabrerra, Nick Swisher, Alexi Ramirez, Octavio Dotel, Scott Linebrink, Gavin Floyd v. Darin Erstad......... I'm sold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxMatt Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Wasnt it the 1st Cubs series that really started the slide last year?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pants Rowland Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (WSoxMatt @ May 21, 2008 -> 09:11 AM) Wasnt it the 1st Cubs series that really started the slide last year?? Marcus Thames 9th inning HR off of AAAArdsma (?) to thwart a sweep sticks in my mind. The year before it was a loss to the Cubs with Mackowiak in CF that knocked the Sox out of 1st for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 After the first Cubs series we still had a positive record. After 44 games we were 24-20 (just like today) and it was the last time above .500 We ended up loosing to TB Rays and dropping another few to Twinkies never seen .500 after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 This team may indeed tank, who knows. But its nothing like the 2007 squad. The starting offense is different in 5 of the 9 positions, the starting pitching is different in 1.5 of 5, the bullpen is vastly different. Its just not the same club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 21, 2008 -> 10:46 AM) This team may indeed tank, who knows. But its nothing like the 2007 squad. The starting offense is different in 5 of the 9 positions, the starting pitching is different in 1.5 of 5, the bullpen is vastly different. Its just not the same club. This team is also in first place and 1.5 games up as opposed to 3rd place and 4 games back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 This board is acting like a recently broken hearted teenager hesitant to love for the second time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 21, 2008 -> 11:46 AM) This team may indeed tank, who knows. But its nothing like the 2007 squad. The starting offense is different in 5 of the 9 positions, the starting pitching is different in 1.5 of 5, the bullpen is vastly different. Its just not the same club. but yet the offensive woes are the same. what is the one constant? i'm not gonna beat a dead horse but we all know it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (rangercal @ May 21, 2008 -> 11:11 AM) This board is acting like a recently broken hearted teenager hesitant to love for the second time. Finally, somebody said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy79 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Things fell apart last year when MacDougal/Aardsma forgot how to throw strikes. I recall the Sox/Cubs game at Wrigley where Buerhle held the Cubs to one run, came out and MacDougal gave up >4 runs...after that things went downhill fast. That being said last year was last year and a much different team...lets keep winning and get up on this division by 5+ games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (Reddy @ May 21, 2008 -> 11:11 AM) but yet the offensive woes are the same. what is the one constant? i'm not gonna beat a dead horse but we all know it. No, the offensive woes are not the same. The batting average is similar - that's true. That .247 average is good for 26th in baseball this year, but the OBP is .332, which is 12th in MLB. In 2007, the average was .246 (very similar), but the OBP was .318, LAST in baseball. Also, this year's team is scoring 4.6 runs per game (14th in MLB), whereas in 2007, they only scored 4.27 runs per game (again, LAST in baseball). And my fave... The 2007 team hit .243 w/RISP, dead last in baseball. This year's team is hitting .284, good for 6th in MLB. This offense is already significantly better than last year, and that's despite the fact that Swisher, Konerko, Thome and O-Cab are all playing far below their career averages. They won't all stay that low. Nothing like the same offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 OMG somebody said "Darin Erstad." Gulp. Just that name brings back 2007 all over again. Yeesh. I still think this team is 2007 waiting to happen, but I will say: I don't recall any six game winning streaks last year; at least not early. Am I right? We were lucky to sweep a series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFirebird Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 21, 2008 -> 01:09 PM) No, the offensive woes are not the same. The batting average is similar - that's true. That .247 average is good for 26th in baseball this year, but the OBP is .332, which is 12th in MLB. In 2007, the average was .246 (very similar), but the OBP was .318, LAST in baseball. Also, this year's team is scoring 4.6 runs per game (14th in MLB), whereas in 2007, they only scored 4.27 runs per game (again, LAST in baseball). And my fave... The 2007 team hit .243 w/RISP, dead last in baseball. This year's team is hitting .284, good for 6th in MLB. This offense is already significantly better than last year, and that's despite the fact that Swisher, Konerko, Thome and O-Cab are all playing far below their career averages. They won't all stay that low. Nothing like the same offense. Wow. Great research. CQ has a LOT to do with those improvements. We have said it on this board before but in order for them to stay competitive, eventually PK and Thome have to figure it out. Hopefully it was a start of good things for them yesterday: PK with a solid hit up the middle and a walk (minus the K with the bags juiced) and Thome with a dinger to the opposite field. I know it is blasphemy to say, but CQ is eventually going to slump a little and someone is going to have to pick up the slack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ May 21, 2008 -> 01:19 PM) OMG somebody said "Darin Erstad." Gulp. Just that name brings back 2007 all over again. Yeesh. I still think this team is 2007 waiting to happen, but I will say: I don't recall any six game winning streaks last year; at least not early. Am I right? We were lucky to sweep a series. Why? I mean, the team is playing entirely different baseball, as far as I can tell. What is your reasoning for thinking this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 21, 2008 -> 02:53 PM) Why? I mean, the team is playing entirely different baseball, as far as I can tell. What is your reasoning for thinking this? Don't you know? it's because both years we started off 24-20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChrisSamsa Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Shouldn't this go into the negative catch-all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 This team is SOOOOOOOOO much better than last years. Not saying we're going to win the division but we aren't tanking like last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 21, 2008 -> 12:09 PM) No, the offensive woes are not the same. The batting average is similar - that's true. That .247 average is good for 26th in baseball this year, but the OBP is .332, which is 12th in MLB. In 2007, the average was .246 (very similar), but the OBP was .318, LAST in baseball. Also, this year's team is scoring 4.6 runs per game (14th in MLB), whereas in 2007, they only scored 4.27 runs per game (again, LAST in baseball). And my fave... The 2007 team hit .243 w/RISP, dead last in baseball. This year's team is hitting .284, good for 6th in MLB. This offense is already significantly better than last year, and that's despite the fact that Swisher, Konerko, Thome and O-Cab are all playing far below their career averages. They won't all stay that low. Nothing like the same offense. why wont they stay that low? we constantly keep hearing "when this offense starts clicking" "when they come around" blah blah blah. It didnt happen at all last year and we're hearing the same things this year. AJ will level off, CQ will definitely level off. And when they do, if those 4 you mentioned haven't turned it on we're gonna be in trouble. and with Kong's hand and Thome's age... i dont see that happening with all 4. Swish may come around and Cab i think will, but... i dont know, i'm not that sure about our offense turning it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (Reddy @ May 21, 2008 -> 02:34 PM) why wont they stay that low? we constantly keep hearing "when this offense starts clicking" "when they come around" blah blah blah. It didnt happen at all last year and we're hearing the same things this year. AJ will level off, CQ will definitely level off. And when they do, if those 4 you mentioned haven't turned it on we're gonna be in trouble. and with Kong's hand and Thome's age... i dont see that happening with all 4. Swish may come around and Cab i think will, but... i dont know, i'm not that sure about our offense turning it on. Note what I actually said. I said nothing of the offense "clicking" as a whole, or that AJ or CQ won't come back to earth. What I pointed out was that this offense is already far better than last year's. And further, look at the lineup, and see how many players are above, at, or below their career norms. There are far more below than above. Only 1 is really above - AJ - and he has hit almost that well at times in his career, when he's used this hitting approach. And yet, you've got Thome, Konerko, O-Cab, Uribe, and Swisher all below. Plus Ramirez as a rookie doing badly so far, will likely adjust. So to me, on balance, there is more postive room than negative room there. That's why I think the idea that this team is like 2007 waiting to happen doesn't really make any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 21, 2008 -> 01:53 PM) Why? I mean, the team is playing entirely different baseball, as far as I can tell. What is your reasoning for thinking this? It is? Up until six games ago: -Feast-or-famine offense -No base stealing threats/speed -No opposite field hitting/bunting -No leadoff hitter -Total lack of run production resulting in gem starter performances being wasted -Aging, slugger performers in the middle of the lineup not getting anything going -No decent backup catcher Sound familiar? Granted, things are going better now and cheers to Ozzie for messing with the lineup, which seems to have done the trick. But let's talk in a month. Not trying to be negative; just taking a wait-and-see attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 Since the topic of the thread is Interesting Fact, all I did is brought the point that both teams started 24-20. I'm the last one to suggest this team = 2007 team. FAR FROM IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted May 21, 2008 Share Posted May 21, 2008 The last six games have given hope, but it's too soon to call. They sure looked like it for a couple of weeks there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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