Milkman delivers Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Swisher is as bad as Anderson ever was in the majors. I do not understand why he's still starting. He's a dog. Bench his worthless ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 31, 2008 -> 11:37 AM) With Swisher's historical stats, I think its a mistake to outright bench him. Plus, he won't get better playing only twice a week. Just play Anderson once a series, at least for now. He definitely needs to be benched. He's gotten WORSE as the season's progressed. He's lost, and now I'm honestly starting to think he was a steroid product. It's too bad that he's such a face of the team. That will definitely be a factor in him NOT being benched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 31, 2008 -> 10:37 AM) With Swisher's historical stats, I think its a mistake to outright bench him. Plus, he won't get better playing only twice a week. Just play Anderson once a series, at least for now. Completely agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 31, 2008 -> 11:44 AM) Swisher is as bad as Anderson ever was in the majors. I do not understand why he's still starting. He's a dog. Bench his worthless ass. It would be interesting to see what Anderson would do now if he played regularly. I suppose the reluctancy is the team is winning. If someone told you on May 31 that Thome, Konerko and Swisher would each be hitting below .210 and that Buerhle and Vazquez would have higher ERAs than Floyd, Danks and Contreras, 1st place would probably be the last place you would guess to find this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ May 31, 2008 -> 11:46 AM) Completely agree. He's only had one really good year. What historical stats can we pull from 3 full seasons in the league? He's not a proven vet, he's a young guy who's had one very good year. Why does he get to keep starting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 31, 2008 -> 11:46 AM) He definitely needs to be benched. He's gotten WORSE as the season's progressed. He's lost, and now I'm honestly starting to think he was a steroid product. It's too bad that he's such a face of the team. That will definitely be a factor in him NOT being benched. There's something to Swisher's falloff, but I don't think it what you're suggesting. I think that he'll come out of it - one of the few I'd say that about on this time (unlike Konerko, although he always dogs April and May - I think PK only likes to work 4 months out of the year instead of six, personally). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 31, 2008 -> 11:50 AM) He's only had one really good year. What historical stats can we pull from 3 full seasons in the league? He's not a proven vet, he's a young guy who's had one very good year. Why does he get to keep starting? Two 800 plus ops seasons, even his first full season was pretty decent. Sure he sucks right now, but he's not a .200 hitter, at this point if he puts something like a .220 average than he still has some value as a hitter cause he's going to be getting on base at a better clip than OC and AJ. You could at least put him at the top of the order(ya I know a .220 hitter at the top of the lineup isn't ideal) and have a decent obp guy in front of CQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eickevinmorris Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ May 31, 2008 -> 11:50 AM) He's only had one really good year. What historical stats can we pull from 3 full seasons in the league? He's not a proven vet, he's a young guy who's had one very good year. Why does he get to keep starting? I have no idea what statistics you are looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (KevinM @ May 31, 2008 -> 01:56 PM) I have no idea what statistics you are looking at. His OPS+ in both 2006 and 2007 were great, but his homers fell off greatly in 2007. His average was never that good. So, you can make a case that he's had two great years out of 4 seasons so far, but he's never going to recover this year to put up a decent line. It's just too far into the season. I see no consistency with this guy, as he's relatively young, so I ask why we should believe that he's going to pull out of this? Then, consider that his best year was in 2006, and he's gotten worse and worse since then. In this year alone, he's gotten worse since opening day. He's not like the other guys that are struggling in the lineup. Thome and Konerko have put up big numbers for years. OC has heated up, and I figured he would because he's been consistent throughout this career. We're saying that Swisher will also pull out of this because, like the other guys, he should start to get back towards his career numbers. My point is that Swisher hasn't played long enough to see what player he really is. I don't think there's a reason to believe he'll definitely put up numbers like he did in 2006, and to a lesser extent, 2007. Edited May 31, 2008 by Milkman delivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 Swisher looked good the past couple games (didn't see yesterdays). I should say good is a relative term and means it looked like he was coming out of his funk as he was hitting the ball with some authority and had a much less severe upper cut in his swing. I have faith in him coming out of this but there is no denying that he has been every bit as bad as Thome/Konerko. The only bright spot is that he's actually been surprising defensively in CF. Still, aside from giving him a couple days off (and that really depends on what Walker/Ozzie are seeing, if they are working on certain things with him (Walker to a greater extent) and that he feels its progressing nicely and he's getting closer, I say keep him out there; if he's back in a rut, than give him a couple days off where Walk is just spending s***loads of time with him, in addition time for Swisher to just completely relax. But you can't just bench this guy and you can't compare this situation to Brian Anderson's situation. Swisher has a track record which includes major league success where as Anderson never did. Anderson also wasn't getting on base at a semi respectable clip (and no, that doesn't make me feel any better either, becase we all know that I like an OPB which is driven by a decent extent by AVERAGE (guys need to hit to be good offensive players, not just walk and hit the ocassional homer). If you want to compare this to anything, compare it to Konerko randomly having that one season where he sucked horrificly and everyone thought randomly that his career ended (that season was a total outlier but I remember how scared to death everyone was cause he had just signed that contract and he was so god-awful; hell, even as bad as he was that year, I think Swisher/Paulie/Thome have been even worse this year (god they have sucked). At least Paulie has the hand as an excuse (and he's been driving the ball well since his shot, which is a good sign, even though the hits haven't necessarily consistantly fell) and Thome seems to at least be going the other way more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 31, 2008 -> 12:12 PM) , becase we all know that I like an OPB which is driven by a decent extent by AVERAGE (guys need to hit to be good offensive players, not just walk and hit the ocassional homer). You know I completely agree with you on this, however, at this point I would just like guys to be on base for CQ. That's honestly where we are right now with this offense. If Swish can up his average a bit and get on base at a .350 or so clip and we could hit him back at the top of the order, I think he'd at least be semi valuable cause he'd at least be providing RBI opps for Q. Edited May 31, 2008 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Pratt Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ May 31, 2008 -> 10:34 AM) I don't think it matters what team he's on....people on here have been saying they think he's off the juice. I haven't seen much of that on public posts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I think anyone that does not at least think PEDS's and Nick Swisher is very naive. There is no tangible reason for being this bad at baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 At least with Konerko and Thome, we have gotten some production. With Swisher, it's walk or nothing. And unless he can walk 200 times a season, he provides almost nothing to the team. He needs to start seeing more bench time, and Anderson (and I'm Anderson's biggest doubter here) and Wise should see more time at CF. I'm not saying an outright bench, but he should see his playing time cut in half until he proves something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 At least with Konerko and Thome, we have gotten some production. With Swisher, it's walk or nothing. And unless he can walk 200 times a season, he provides almost nothing to the team. He needs to start seeing more bench time, and Anderson (and I'm Anderson's biggest doubter here) and Wise should see more time at CF. I'm not saying an outright bench, but he should see his playing time cut in half until he proves something. Wise is being sent out today, isn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (29andPoplar @ May 31, 2008 -> 03:34 PM) Wise is being sent out today, isn't he? DFA'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 I think with Uribe back and Ramirez hitting better, you will see Ramirez play CF again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (29andPoplar @ May 31, 2008 -> 12:34 PM) Wise is being sent out today, isn't he? I don't see any reason why he wouldn't be. The next roster move will either be the acquisition of a 2nd baseman (Kenny is obviously wanting to get a legit top of the order hitter and unless he plans on moving Swisher for a different CF (Which isn't going to happen) 2B is about the only spot he can do that (or if he has plans to trade OC, which despite this big blow-up, I'd be stunned if the Sox dumped him). Plus I continue to say that OC will be exactly what the Sox expected out of him by seasons end (he hasn't been nearly as bad as some people have indicated, in fact, most defensive matrix/ratings have him as the 2nd best defensive SS in baseball this year). I know its hard to imagine, but obviously Uribe has the ability to do somethings OC can't do (but no one else, aside from Furcal could have done those things anyway) and OC can do a heck of a lot more at the plate on the paths. The other potential move I see happening at some point is Adam Russel being added to the pen. The Sox brass really likes this guy and I believe they feel he can develop into an upper echelon set-up man at some point in his career. Wasserman has been better as of late, but if he at all falters back to his first few outings, I wouldnt' be shocked to see Russel up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 31, 2008 -> 09:38 PM) I think with Uribe back and Ramirez hitting better, you will see Ramirez play CF again. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 31, 2008 -> 12:36 PM) DFA'd I can't imagine anyone picking him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ May 31, 2008 -> 03:38 PM) The other potential move I see happening at some point is Adam Russel being added to the pen. The Sox brass really likes this guy and I believe they feel he can develop into an upper echelon set-up man at some point in his career. Wasserman has been better as of late, but if he at all falters back to his first few outings, I wouldnt' be shocked to see Russel up. With as good as the starters have been, I really don't see the point of carrying 12 pitchers. Find me a left handed bat off the bench and I'll be a happy camper. Edited May 31, 2008 by Rowand44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 HIS POWER NUMBERS ARE DOWN BECAUSE HE CANT HIT THE BALL. STEROIDS /= PITCH RECOGNITION he's all over the place with his bat speed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (Nokona @ May 31, 2008 -> 08:56 PM) HIS POWER NUMBERS ARE DOWN BECAUSE HE CANT HIT THE BALL. STEROIDS /= PITCH RECOGNITION he's all over the place with his bat speed He leads the Sox in warning track fly outs. The Swisher I remember from his Oakland days could hit it out to every different direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ May 31, 2008 -> 12:57 PM) He leads the Sox in warning track fly outs. The Swisher I remember from his Oakland days could hit it out to every different direction. The big reason his power has shifted to warning track power is because his swing has gotten far too upper cuttish. If he levels out his swing (still with a slight upper-cut) we'll quickly see those balls start leaving the yard with ease, but right now, his cut is so extreme (it was more so for the first month and a half of the season) that even when he gets it all, it dies close to the track. Joe Morgan (and I hate quoting Joe Morgan) indicated that he talked with Greg Walker regarding Swisher and Walker indicated that Swisher has gotten much more crouch happy this season and the end result is that the crouch has naturally caused him to add a more extreme upper cut in his swing. The Sox have been working on his batting posture and I've noticed he's been standing a bit more upright and that has enabled him to have a more level swing plane. He still has work to do, but usually all it takes is a minor tweak or two (plus some confidence) to get a guy back on track. I've noticed that since making the adjustment (based on Morgans timing, it started about 7-10 days ago) that Swisher has a lot fewer at bats where he completely hits the ball off the very end or just really weakly (there was about a 15-20 game period where Swisher, even on foul balls, was hitting things incredibly weak (to use a golf metaphor, it was as if he was shanking the ball consistently) and since than I've seen him consistently start hitting the ball with some authority (still not to the point where he's 100% correct, but where he's heading in the right direction (or at least I believe he is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 31, 2008 Share Posted May 31, 2008 That is true, we're not seeing 10 broken bats a week for him. I still think he need to get closer to the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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