EvilMonkey Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 I seem to recall that when Richard Clarke had his book coming out around election time, McClellan tearing into Clarke in his press briefing on March 22, 2004 when asked about Richard Clarke’s book blasting the Bush Administration for 9/11 and CIA intelligence failures: MR. McCLELLAN: Well, why, all of a sudden, if he (Richard Clarke) had all these grave concerns, did he not raise these sooner? This is one-and-a-half years after he left the administration. And now, all of a sudden, he’s raising these grave concerns that he claims he had. And I think you have to look at some of the facts. One, he is bringing this up in the heat of a presidential campaign. He has written a book and he certainly wants to go out there and promote that book. Hmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ May 28, 2008 -> 09:31 PM) I seem to recall that when Richard Clarke had his book coming out around election time, McClellan tearing into Clarke in his press briefing on March 22, 2004 when asked about Richard Clarke’s book blasting the Bush Administration for 9/11 and CIA intelligence failures: Hmmm. That also is a totally valid criticism/accusation IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 This is just an obvious play for money if I've ever seen one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ May 28, 2008 -> 11:02 PM) This is just an obvious play for money if I've ever seen one. Most likely. Unless he wanted to go back into government service again, because this pretty much precludes that. But that's not even the real question anyway. The important question is, are the allegations true? Certainly they fit the pattern of what this administration has done. But its possible he may have exaggerated things, or embelished. Who knows? I'd like to see some folks vet out the book a bit, try to corroborate some things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ May 28, 2008 -> 10:02 PM) This is just an obvious play for money if I've ever seen one. I dunno. Put yourself in his shoes. You are calling out the President of the U.S. and his staff. Don't you think this guy will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 28, 2008 -> 06:34 PM) What, the realization that this was one President you couldn't trust? Lol. For all of the Presidents we have had over the last generations that you could trust... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2008 -> 07:20 AM) Lol. For all of the Presidents we have had over the last generations that you could trust... Isn't that sad. I use the babysitter test. Which First couple would I want babysitting my kids? In my lifetime, I'd have to go with either the Carters or the elder Bush. Bill and Hillary would be at the bottom of the list. Of the current crop of candidates, I'd probably just stay home and watch them myself. But if that was not an option Obama = McCain > Clinton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 QUOTE (Texsox @ May 29, 2008 -> 07:59 AM) Isn't that sad. I use the babysitter test. Which First couple would I want babysitting my kids? In my lifetime, I'd have to go with either the Carters or the elder Bush. Bill and Hillary would be at the bottom of the list. Of the current crop of candidates, I'd probably just stay home and watch them myself. But if that was not an option Obama = McCain > Clinton Based on that test, I think I'd trust McCain or Obama over most of the recent Presidents. Exceptions: Carter and Bush I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 29, 2008 -> 08:02 AM) Based on that test, I think I'd trust McCain or Obama over most of the recent Presidents. Exceptions: Carter and Bush I. Seems like an interesting topic, I added a poll to the 'buster. I wish I had added if it is the same person you would vote for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 Eh, the only ones I really wouldn't want my kids with are Bill and Hillary. Chelsea isn't bad though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 CNN/ABC reporter: Corporate executives forced pro-Bush, pro-war narrative Jessica Yellin -- currently a CNN correspondent who covered the White House for ABC News in 2002 and 2003 -- was on with Anderson Cooper last night discussing Scott McClellan's book, and made one of the most significant admissions heard on television in quite some time: JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I think the press corps dropped the ball at the beginning. When the lead-up to the war began, the pre s s corp s wa s under enormou s pre s s ure from corporate executive s , fran k ly, to ma k e s ure that thi s wa s a war that wa s pre s ented in a way that wa s con s i s tent with the patriotic fever in the nation and the pre s ident' s high approval rating s . And my own experience at the White House was that, the higher the president's approval ratings, the more pressure I had from news executives -- and I was not at this network at the time -- but the more pre s s ure I had from new s executive s to put on po s itive s torie s about the pre s ident. I think, over time... (CROSSTALK) COOPER: You had pressure from news executives to put on positive stories about the president? YELLIN: Not in that exact -- they wouldn't say it in that way, but they would edit my pieces. They would push me in different directions. They would turn down s torie s that were more critical and try to put on piece s that were more po s itive, ye s . That was my experience. Read the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 The folks @ TPMTv with just a smattering of Scotty's bests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 29, 2008 -> 08:20 AM) Read the full article Why? Ask yourself that, and let me know what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 29, 2008 Share Posted May 29, 2008 QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 29, 2008 -> 04:56 PM) Why? Ask yourself that, and let me know what you think. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 29, 2008 -> 06:52 PM) Why not? I'm asking why do you think that "big corporations" were pushing for the war, AND that they were loving GWB, as alledged by the article you cited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (kapkomet @ May 29, 2008 -> 06:14 PM) I'm asking why do you think that "big corporations" were pushing for the war, AND that they were loving GWB, as alledged by the article you cited. I honestly don't know why. I wish I knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Man that's easy. In the beginning, war coverage is fascinating, and people are glued to their TVs. Ratings. Revenue. Profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 29, 2008 -> 06:06 AM) Most likely. Unless he wanted to go back into government service again, because this pretty much precludes that. But that's not even the real question anyway. The important question is, are the allegations true? Certainly they fit the pattern of what this administration has done. But its possible he may have exaggerated things, or embelished. Who knows? I'd like to see some folks vet out the book a bit, try to corroborate some things. Well, you can't take anything he says with a grain of salt because just a while ago he was one of the president's supporters. And from what I've heard, it is that his editor "edited" a lot of the book. Is some of it true? Probably, but that "truth" has been stretched out several times over, IMO. I also think it is telling that he sprints to go on the far left media stations like MSNBC, but Fox news? Never... Edited May 30, 2008 by BearSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (BigSqwert @ May 29, 2008 -> 06:07 AM) I dunno. Put yourself in his shoes. You are calling out the President of the U.S. and his staff. Don't you think this guy will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life? Not really. This isn't some bad espionage movie, it's real live Edited May 30, 2008 by BearSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ May 29, 2008 -> 08:47 PM) Well, you can't take anything he says with a grain of salt because just a while ago he was one of the president's supporters. And from what I've heard, it is that his editor "edited" a lot of the book. Is some of it true? Probably, but that "truth" has been stretched out several times over, IMO. I also think it is telling that he sprints to go on the far left media stations like MSNBC, but Fox news? Never... His motivations are one thing, but the content in the book is altogether different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 Bob Dole went all Hulk Smash on Scooter today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 30, 2008 Share Posted May 30, 2008 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ May 28, 2008 -> 06:31 PM) I seem to recall that when Richard Clarke had his book coming out around election time, McClellan tearing into Clarke in his press briefing on March 22, 2004 when asked about Richard Clarke’s book blasting the Bush Administration for 9/11 and CIA intelligence failures: Hmmm. It seems that at a hotel in NY last night, Scooter ran in to Richard Clarke, just after Clarke finished up on the Daily Show (Where Scooter will be on Monday). There was an apology involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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