Heads22 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) While Colletti loves his veterans, I doubt he's stupid. So far Dewitt has outproduced Crede, and Loney, Kemp, and Eithier have outproduced Konerko and Swisher. And when I say outproduced, I mean offensively and defensively. If LA does eventually trade one of their OF's, I think it'd be Eithier before Kemp. Of course they'd love to unload one of Pierre or Jones first, but it will be tough for them to do that unless they throw in lots of cash and take them for practically nothing. I'd love to see Ethier roaming around LF and Q in RF for us. And yea, Colletti wouldn't do that deal, but it also wouldn't make sense for us to deal three starters for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 If the Dodgers wanted to get gutsy, they could deal Ethier to the Sox for Orlando Cabrera. They would play OC at SS until Furcal comes back and could than slide him to 2B (again, this is probably very unrealistic). Its more me loving Ethier and trying anyway way to come up with some talent wise that would be a fair deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 07:45 PM) If the Dodgers wanted to get gutsy, they could deal Ethier to the Sox for Orlando Cabrera. They would play OC at SS until Furcal comes back and could than slide him to 2B (again, this is probably very unrealistic). Its more me loving Ethier and trying anyway way to come up with some talent wise that would be a fair deal. We share a mancrush, I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 07:44 PM) I'd love to see Ethier roaming around LF and Q in RF for us. And yea, Colletti wouldn't do that deal, but it also wouldn't make sense for us to deal three starters for one. At this point, Swisher and Konerko shouldn't even count as starters. And yeah, Ethier-Anderson-Quentin would be a pretty sick defensive outfield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 07:47 PM) At this point, Swisher and Konerko shouldn't even count as starters. And yeah, Ethier-Anderson-Quentin would be a pretty sick defensive outfield. I don't see Anderson starting for us unless Swisher's leg falls off, and I don't see us moving Swisher any time soon for all we've invested in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 On a sidenote, the Dodgers could definately use some power. They have a horrid contract on there hands as do the Sox and I'm thinking you could potentially make a trade where the Dodgers add power, lose a problem, and the Sox get one guy whose struggling (possibly to an extent because of an injury and a good young player (Dodgers get two guys, who when they get s*** together aren't all that bad). This would be a Paul Konerko/Nick Swisher for Andruw Jones/James Loney type of deal. Long term its a deal that might benefit both teams (if Konerko/Swisher get going, there slugging would be exactly what the Dodgers need) and from the Sox perspective Loney is the pure hitter you could stick in the 3 hole for years (plus contractually he's going to be cheap). Andruw Jones is a god-awful contract, but he still plays a plus CF and should provide power (albeit from a lower spot in the order) and who knows, maybe he gets healthy and starts to hit a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 07:48 PM) I don't see Anderson starting for us unless Swisher's leg falls off, and I don't see us moving Swisher any time soon for all we've invested in him. I never said I would start him. I'm just saying, having Ethier-Anderson-Quentin from left to right would be a pretty slick defensive outfield. I should note, I really hope we don't have to see Swisher in CF next year. Hopefully he gets moved to either LF or 1B, depending on how the offseason goes. If we could get Ethier, trade Dye for something valueable, and move Quentin to RF, I wouldn't mind Swisher in CF as much. I'm not saying Swisher is bad in CF as he has actually been pretty good, but he just isn't a true CF. He has been playing most of his games in the Cell which is one of the easier CF's to play though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 05:49 PM) So because of a bad two months by a 27 year old and 32 year old, they aren't starters anymore? Really? Personally I think they'll both have at least a few good years. The question is whether they are good fits for this offense. I think Swisher, when on, could be (assuming Thome is elsewhere, he can be to a lesser extent the Sox version of the Thome of a year or two ago, but with less power obviously, all while playing defense). The problem is the Sox are trying to win and at some point you have to ask, how long can we wait and when do we cut our losses, move them at less than market value (but than use those pieces to get guys that we think could help us now). Again, its not easy and I don't think its possible so I think for the most part we are stuck with what we have (and once those guys get going, maybe Kenny will realize the up's and downs of the past year are due to having a lot of guys that are likely to get into big slumps, and he'll move those players and pick up a few "pure" hitters to mesh in with the big poppers that are left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 07:49 PM) So because of a bad two months by a 27 year old and 32 year old, they aren't starters anymore? Really? See the reply I just made to Heads. Plus, if you remember, I am one of the biggest anti-Anderson guys here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 07:55 PM) That really didn't answer my question at all, and Anderson has nothing to do with it. Really, it didn't answer your question? Like I said, I wouldn't bench Swisher. I was pointing out that a defensive OF of Ethier-Anderson-Quentin would be one of the best in the game. I know I wasn't all that clear to begin with, and I apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 08:02 PM) No, you still haven't answered it. You made the statement that Swisher AND Konerko shouldn't be considered as "trading starters" My question was why aren't we considering them starters? Because of two bad months? Oh, I thought you were asking the same question as Heads, my bad. I said at this point they shouldn't be considered starters. Of course they are going to get their playing time, but right now they are close to being the worst starters in the bigs. Hopefully that all changes, but if we did trade them right now, we wouldn't be losing much with whomever we had to replace them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxpranos Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 07:49 PM) So because of a bad two months by a 27 year old and 32 year old, they aren't starters anymore? Really? No, cause their OPS suck..Dr. OPS. Edited June 3, 2008 by Soxpranos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 07:44 PM) I'd love to see Ethier roaming around LF and Q in RF for us. And yea, Colletti wouldn't do that deal, but it also wouldn't make sense for us to deal three starters for one. You think trading Swish, PK, and Crede for Kemp is a stupid idea, yet you propose we get Either?? Who do you plan on trading for him- OC straight up? Come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Major changes coming for Tuesday: Wass is sent down for MMac. Anderson starting full time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 08:58 PM) You think trading Swish, PK, and Crede for Kemp is a stupid idea, yet you propose we get Either?? Who do you plan on trading for him- OC straight up? Come on. I don't think I ever proposed a trade for him. I simply said I'd love him as a White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxmanager Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 Oh god I thought it would never come to this. Release Thome, and sign the best hitter in baseball....Gulp....Barry Bonds. Oh god please help me. No wonder JT can't hit. He has been jinxed by James A Thome: http://www.oberlin.edu/external/EOG/LaneDe...JamesThome.html Now it will be all better.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 09:11 PM) I don't think I ever proposed a trade for him. I simply said I'd love him as a White Sox. What would be your proposal in the event they did make a push for him, then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 how about thome for coco crisp. Red sox need a DH and we could use crisp. I'm just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (quickman @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 09:50 PM) how about thome for coco crisp. Red sox need a DH and we could use crisp. I'm just saying. Isn't it sad that a .250 hitter would be an upgrade over our current CF? Good lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (quickman @ Jun 3, 2008 -> 03:50 AM) how about thome for coco crisp. Red sox need a DH and we could use crisp. I'm just saying. Thome for Crisp and Masterson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 09:50 PM) What would be your proposal in the event they did make a push for him, then? I have no idea. We're not really a good trading partner from what I can see. They'd probably want bullpen help (Adam Russell?) in addition to any centerpiece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 09:51 PM) Isn't it sad that a .250 hitter would be an upgrade over our current CF? Good lord. its not just the hitting but the threat of speed. he could help change the dynamic of the top of the order. its just a bulls*** comment on my part anyway. No biggie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (quickman @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 09:50 PM) how about thome for coco crisp. Red sox need a DH and we could use crisp. I'm just saying. Sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 09:52 PM) Thome for Crisp and Masterson If we can get Masterson, I'd throw Swisher in the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 3, 2008 Share Posted June 3, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 2, 2008 -> 09:34 PM) If we can get Masterson, I'd throw Swisher in the deal. Why is everyone so eager to deal Swisher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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