JorgeFabregas Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 There's a reason you won't hear that from the mainstream media. It would be a pretty silly thing for them to report. To say, for instance, that he's leading in MI because of a single poll that gave him a 3 point edge there would be somewhat presumptuous Obama has a narrow national lead in most polls--that is something worth reporting. I like RCP maps a bit better, since they average polls: (not counting toss-up states) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ma...bama_vs_mccain/ (counting toss-ups) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ma..._mccain/?map=10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Jun 13, 2008 -> 12:51 PM) There's a reason you won't hear that from the mainstream media. It would be a pretty silly thing for them to report. To say, for instance, that he's leading in MI because of a single poll that gave him a 3 point edge there would be somewhat presumptuous Obama has a narrow national lead in most polls--that is something worth reporting. I like RCP maps a bit better, since they average polls: (not counting toss-up states) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ma...bama_vs_mccain/ (counting toss-ups) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ma..._mccain/?map=10 dude, thanks for the link. i didnt even KNOW they had maps on RCP. SWEET! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Funny in 2004 the Democrats all told me that chaging your mind was a good thing, and it meant you were open to new lines of thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 13, 2008 -> 01:27 PM) Funny in 2004 the Democrats all told me that chaging your mind was a good thing, and it meant you were open to new lines of thought... And Republicans told me that it was a sign of weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 (edited) Flip-Flopping is OK if you are willing to explain the reasons WHY you flipped. Simply changing your stance for no reason and not explaining is a flip flop. It is also often precieved as political pandering if you dont explain WHY you flipped. "Half-assed" reasons also dont apply. (see John McCains flip on the tax cuts. He says it has help the economy.) I have alwasy said I am willing to change my opinion if there is a good enough reason to say so. Edited June 13, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 (edited) Katrina- Bush watches from a plane McCain votes AGAINST investigations. Iowa Floods - McCain "prays" from a distance Obama rolls up the sleeves and helps Edited June 15, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Okay, now, calling Bill Clinton our first black president was a cute, witty little remark. But why does everyone beat these things to death? This is ridiculous: “In many ways, he really will be the first woman president,” Megan Beyer of Virginia, a charter member of Women for Obama, told reporters. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/opinion/15faludi.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jun 15, 2008 -> 08:41 AM) Okay, now, calling Bill Clinton our first black president was a cute, witty little remark. But why does everyone beat these things to death? This is ridiculous: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/opinion/15faludi.html well, he wasnt the first woman-izer president, that's for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 14, 2008 -> 09:37 PM) Katrina- Bush watches from a plane McCain votes AGAINST investigations. Iowa Floods - McCain "prays" from a distance Obama rolls up the sleeves and helps Oh for crying out loud. It's called a PHOTO OP. Give it a rest, Obamatron 2008, Model Athomeboy_2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 15, 2008 -> 10:21 AM) Oh for crying out loud. It's called a PHOTO OP. Give it a rest, Obamatron 2008, Model Athomeboy_2000. at least he cared enough to actually go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 (edited) also an email that was sent out to myBo users: We need your help right now. In Quincy, Illinois and surrounding areas, the river is expected to crest on Monday or Tuesday. There are emergency sandbagging operations going on right now and public officials have put out a call for all available volunteers. Your help is desperately needed. The widespread flooding in the Midwest has affected millions of people. We have an opportunity to use our grassroots movement to make a real impact at a time of urgent need. If you can assist, please travel to one of these areas this weekend: Edited June 15, 2008 by bmags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 15, 2008 -> 10:38 AM) at least he cared enough to actually go. Obama cares more then anyone else, ever, running for political office. I'm glad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 15, 2008 -> 07:01 PM) Obama cares more then anyone else, ever, running for political office. I'm glad. well no, but considering the incredible organization and coordinating ability with volunteers that Obama's campaign has, I think it's great they are using that to help the people of Illinois and Iowa. This whole thing is a mess, I pray for those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Don't get me wrong, I agree with that point. But, it's amazing to me how this guy is "perfect" in every sense of the word to some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 15, 2008 -> 06:24 PM) Don't get me wrong, I agree with that point. But, it's amazing to me how this guy is "perfect" in every sense of the word to some people. I think we're just excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 14, 2008 -> 11:37 PM) Katrina- Bush watches from a plane McCain votes AGAINST investigations. Iowa Floods - McCain "prays" from a distance Obama rolls up the sleeves and helps QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 15, 2008 -> 02:21 PM) well no, but considering the incredible organization and coordinating ability with volunteers that Obama's campaign has, I think it's great they are using that to help the people of Illinois and Iowa. This whole thing is a mess, I pray for those people. Aha! I knew it! McCain's prayer: Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy low tax on capital gains, thy Kingdom come, Social Security undone (or not -- I'll get back to you), on earth, as we know there are no hand-outs in Heaven. Give us this day our midday nap, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Even Mexicans, a little. (Except for Cornyn, that f***ing chicken s***.) And lead us not into deliberations that go on and on and zzzzzzzzzzzzz...but deliver us from evil. I mean, you already did us a solid on that one with Hillary, and I appreciate it. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 The Flip-Flop Express Rolls On (Check out this blog. It's AWESOME)... "One of the things I've never tried to do is exploit my Vietnam service to my country because it would be totally inappropriate to do," McCain once said.... He proceeded to do just that, responding to charges of being a carpetbagger with, "Listen, pal. My father was in the Navy and we moved around a lot. So now that I think about it, place I've lived the longest is Hanoi," and in the ensuing 26 years he has continued to exploit that experience, culminating with his first ad for the general election.... And of course we all remember his "vote for me, I was a POW" sympathy ad... Talk about shamelessly using your military service to scrounge up sympathy votes... of course, after he said he never would because "it would be totally inappropriate to do". A flip flop.. in his very own words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jun 15, 2008 -> 01:54 PM) Aha! I knew it! McCain's prayer: Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy low tax on capital gains, thy Kingdom come, Social Security undone (or not -- I'll get back to you), on earth, as we know there are no hand-outs in Heaven. Give us this day our midday nap, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Even Mexicans, a little. (Except for Cornyn, that f***ing chicken s***.) And lead us not into deliberations that go on and on and zzzzzzzzzzzzz...but deliver us from evil. I mean, you already did us a solid on that one with Hillary, and I appreciate it. Amen. Nice one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 15, 2008 -> 12:28 PM) I think we're just excited. Not as much as Chris Matthews! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Is Edwards back in the VP fold?? ABC News' Mary Bruce reports: 2004 Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards this morning left open the possibility of a second run for the position. "I'd take anything he [Obama] asked me to think about seriously," Edwards explained in a "This Week" interview with George Stephanopoulos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jun 16, 2008 -> 11:41 AM) Is Edwards back in the VP fold?? ABC News' Mary Bruce reports: 2004 Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards this morning left open the possibility of a second run for the position. "I'd take anything he [Obama] asked me to think about seriously," Edwards explained in a "This Week" interview with George Stephanopoulos. Heh, this reminds me of this morning when they were showing how Tim Russert would ask all these politicians if they were running for president, and they all were saying "no." Of course they did later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 16, 2008 -> 11:54 AM) Heh, this reminds me of this morning when they were showing how Tim Russert would ask all these politicians if they were running for president, and they all were saying "no." Of course they did later. Just like that guy at the top of the Democratic ticket who wasn't running Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 16, 2008 Author Share Posted June 16, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2008 -> 12:01 PM) Just like that guy at the top of the Democratic ticket who wasn't running Obama, Clinton and McCain all said they wouldn't run at one point or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 16, 2008 -> 12:01 PM) Just like that guy at the top of the Democratic ticket who wasn't running When they showed him he asked "Is it fair to say you're thinking about running in '08?" and he said "it's fair." (they left us to assume that he had just said "no" in the previous question.) Everybody else was a categorical "no" though. Nobody wanted to come clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 This is pretty comical... Here's what four more years would sound like (McCain mashup) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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