SoxFan1 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 The main thing that stands out from that 2005 season was the camaraderie in the clubhouse and the loosey-goosey attitude the team had. Watching tonight's celebration at home plate reminded me so much of that 2005 team. I have the end of that 15th inning Tivo'd and it is just something else to watch. A few things to note...the 1st man to greet Paulie down that 3rd base line was Ozzie. He gave the big ole' high five and everything. Next in line was Swisher. Waving the towel around and being the personality we all know he is. Then you've got guys like OCab, Alexei, and Quentin jumping in the the middle of the pile. Quentin throwing punches at Paulie's ribs was hilarious as well. Ozuna then treating Paulie like a horse giving him multiple ass-slaps. JD and AJ then attack him outside the batters box and in the dugout, telling him something and pointing to the scoreboard (would love to know what they were talking about there). Then you see Brian and Burls doing something on the side, laughing and pushing eachother. That reminded me a lot of Rowand and BA in the dugout when Pods hit the walk-off. "No way! NO WAY!" Then Thome caps it off with the hug coming down the steps into the clubhouse. Hell, even Gavin was all over PK. And then of course, Toby comes in with the shaving cream pie to the face. This season has been very fun to watch, even with all of our offensive struggles. This is a very fun team to be a fan of, and I'm hoping we can keep it up en route to a 2005 Part Two. I think Tony said it best in the game thread...this looks like a very fun clubhouse to be around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Only difference- one team started off 18-5, the other didn't. I hope, I really do, we have a very successful season, I just don't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 12:55 AM) Only difference- one team started off 18-5, the other didn't. I hope, I really do, we have a very successful season, I just don't see it. If you can't see what this team could become, then the doom and gloom you've got pumping through your veins is scary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (Nokona @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 01:55 AM) If you can't see what this team could become, then the doom and gloom you've got pumping through your veins is scary If Thome, Konerko, and Swisher weren't all struggling to stay above the Mendoza line, the team would be a juggernaut simply because of the pitching. Instead we have 1/3 of our lineup as a massive black hole, and they're all guys who should be producing a ton of runs together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 (edited) I personally don't see the pitching lasting... Danks has been very surprising, and I have faith in him keeping it up, and Javy is Javy. However, Buehrle has had his struggles that I don't see ending soon, and Contreras is an old man who might struggle in the second half. Floyd, I'm up and down about. So, if the pitching goes, I think the team goes with it, unless we finally start getting some offensive production from 2 of Konerko/Thome/Swisher. Edited June 5, 2008 by BearSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Thome, Konerko, and Swisher aren't all going to hit .200 for the season either, so that kinda negates any pitching regression. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 07:39 AM) Thome, Konerko, and Swisher aren't all going to hit .200 for the season either, so that kinda negates any pitching regression. I really want to say that too, but after last season, I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckweaver Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Can't quite get to 2005 over last night...though it was a great way to win a game. But my 2 cents says last night Alexei Ramirez solidified his position as starting infielder, perhaps for a very long time. Someone commented in another thread about the "sick" pitchers' ERAs on the Sox; to me what is sick is making four flawless barehanded plays on a foggy/wet surface...at least two of which probably gave Konerko the opportunity for the at-bat that won the game. A week ago, I was hoping Kenny would trade for a second baseman. Now I say only do that if it's trading Cabrera with the intent of moving Ramirez to his natural SS position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 07:40 AM) I really want to say that too, but after last season, I don't know. After last season? Swisher wasn't on the team last season, Thome hit .275/.410/.563/.973 last year, Konerko hit .259/.351/.490/.841. If anything, 2007 should give you some confidence that these guys are VERY likely to get significantly better as the season goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 07:52 AM) After last season? Swisher wasn't on the team last season, Thome hit .275/.410/.563/.973 last year, Konerko hit .259/.351/.490/.841. If anything, 2007 should give you some confidence that these guys are VERY likely to get significantly better as the season goes on. Stop making sense!!!!! One thing I learned about 2005 is some people just can't emotionally invest themselves in something. Buehrle has been far from dominant, but his track record shows he'll probably end up the same old Mark. He does have 7 starts where he's given up 3 or less and he's also been very unlucky, to say the least, on more than one occasion. Count..ok he's up there in age...but what has he done at all this year to have anyone doubt him. He's been ridiculously good. Floyd...hmmm.... not even worth commenting on. Yes, some people will be concerned about this pitching....but if they're worried about that...they should just be worried about everything. They should be worried about Q slipping on a banana peel in the dugout. They should worry about a seed flying out of Ozzies mouth and hitting Jenks in the eye. They should worry about a blister forming on Alexei's hand from bare handing so many grounders. They should worry about Obama, heaven forbid, becoming the next President.... Just a shout out to my buster peeps!! There's a ton of s*** people can worry about, or they can just enjoy the ride and stop looking for misfortune where it hasn't even presented itself. Edited June 5, 2008 by Controlled Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 10:55 PM) Only difference- one team started off 18-5, the other didn't. One team could also successfully execute a bunt and hit with RISP. I like the Sox's chances this year, but they lack the funamentals (and defense) that the '05 squad had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 08:44 AM) Stop making sense!!!!! One thing I learned about 2005 is some people just can't emotionally invest themselves in something. Buehrle has been far from dominant, but his track record shows he'll probably end up the same old Mark. He does have 7 starts where he's given up 3 or less and he's also been very unlucky, to say the least, on more than one occasion. Count..ok he's up there in age...but what has he done at all this year to have anyone doubt him. He's been ridiculously good. Floyd...hmmm.... not even worth commenting on. Yes, some people will be concerned about this pitching....but if they're worried about that...they should just be worried about everything. They should be worried about Q slipping on a banana peel in the dugout. They should worry about a seed flying out of Ozzies mouth and hitting Jenks in the eye. They should worry about a blister forming on Alexei's hand from bare handing so many grounders. They should worry about Obama, heaven forbid, becoming the next President.... Just a shout out to my buster peeps!! There's a ton of s*** people can worry about, or they can just enjoy the ride and stop looking for misfortune where it hasn't even presented itself. Bravo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 10:44 AM) One team could also successfully execute a bunt and hit with RISP. I like the Sox's chances this year, but they lack the funamentals (and defense) that the '05 squad had. I think this team is far better defensively. Agree 100% on the fundamentals... Quentin>Pods Swisher=Rowand Dye=Dye maybe lost a bit...but I don't think enough to warrant him being much worse than his 05 self Crede=Crede maybe lost a bit...but I don't think enough to warrant him being much worse than his 05 self Cabrera Alexei>Iguchi Paul=Paul AJ=AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 09:53 AM) Quentin>Pods Swisher=Rowand Dye=Dye maybe lost a bit...but I don't think enough to warrant him being much worse than his 05 self Crede=Crede maybe lost a bit...but I don't think enough to warrant him being much worse than his 05 self Cabrera Alexei>Iguchi Paul=Paul AJ=AJ Agree, except for one. Swisher is not nearly as good defensively as Rowand. And before I get assaulted here, I am not saying Rowand is God-like out there - Anderson is better than Rowand. But Rowand was still above average out there, and I don't think you can say that of Swisher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 08:53 AM) I think this team is far better defensively. Agree 100% on the fundamentals... Quentin>Pods Swisher=Rowand Dye=Dye maybe lost a bit...but I don't think enough to warrant him being much worse than his 05 self Crede=Crede maybe lost a bit...but I don't think enough to warrant him being much worse than his 05 self Cabrera Alexei>Iguchi Paul=Paul AJ=AJ Outside if Quentin > Pods and Paulie/AJ being essentially the same, I disagree. Crede already has more errors this year than he did in '05, '08 Cabrera is a drop-off from '05 Uribe, Rowand was a much better CF three years ago than Swisher is now (although BA is better than '05 Rowand, IMO), and Dye has lost range in RF. I also wouldn't say that Alexei is better than '05 Iguchi. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Sox are defensively "bad" this year. But they were EXCELLENT three years ago, and I don't think that the current group is at that level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Great finish last night but 2005? No way. For all the reasons listed above. Our old, slow, big-bopper lineup will be the end of us. More like: 2004. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but that's just how I see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 11:01 AM) Outside if Quentin > Pods and Paulie/AJ being essentially the same, I disagree. Crede already has more errors this year than he did in '05, '08 Cabrera is a drop-off from '05 Uribe, Rowand was a much better CF three years ago than Swisher is now (although BA is better than '05 Rowand, IMO), and Dye has lost range in RF. I also wouldn't say that Alexei is better than '05 Iguchi. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the Sox are defensively "bad" this year. But they were EXCELLENT three years ago, and I don't think that the current group is at that level. I think the expectations I had of Swisher were he wasn't going to be a good CF, but I think he has been real solid out there. If he's not equal, I think he's pretty close to Rowands level. IMO, Alexei does everything just as good if not better than Gooch and his gun puts him over the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 10:13 AM) Great finish last night but 2005? No way. For all the reasons listed above. Our old, slow, big-bopper lineup will be the end of us. More like: 2004. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but that's just how I see it. Well, at least you aren't calling it 2007 anymore. This isn't the 2005 team, or the 2007 team, or the 2004 team. With the picthing it has though, I think its a lot closer to 2005 than 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 remember the absolute panic around here during the meltdown in August/September '05? Wish I could read some of those threads again - they were Moronotti-esque! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 11:53 AM) I think this team is far better defensively. Agree 100% on the fundamentals... Cabrera I disagree . Cabrera=05 Uribe and I think that is being kind to Juan. They both bring different things to the table besides their .250 avgs and stellar Defense. Cabrera brings speed and 05 Uribe brings Power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Controlled Chaos Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (rangercal @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 11:20 AM) I disagree . Cabrera=05 Uribe and I think that is being kind to Juan. They both bring different things to the table besides their .250 avgs and stellar Defense. Cabrera brings speed and 05 Uribe brings Power. Sorry for the confusion, I was only speaking defensively. I don't think Cabrera = Juan in that department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (rangercal @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 11:20 AM) I disagree . Cabrera=05 Uribe and I think that is being kind to Juan. They both bring different things to the table besides their .250 avgs and stellar Defense. Cabrera brings speed and 05 Uribe brings Power. He was talking about defense. And Uribe 2005 (and heck, Uribe 2008) is clearly better than O-Cab, defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RME JICO Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 4, 2008 -> 10:55 PM) Only difference- one team started off 18-5, the other didn't. I hope, I really do, we have a very successful season, I just don't see it. Which team started 18-5, seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (LVSoxFan @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 12:13 PM) Great finish last night but 2005? No way. For all the reasons listed above. Our old, slow, big-bopper lineup will be the end of us. More like: 2004. Sorry to be a wet blanket, but that's just how I see it. Well you are correct in the ERA department Team ERA 2004 4.91 2005 3.61 2008 3.33 oh wait..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 QUOTE (Controlled Chaos @ Jun 5, 2008 -> 12:24 PM) Sorry for the confusion, I was only speaking defensively. I don't think Cabrera = Juan in that department. sorry, I should have read more in depth. In that case, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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