SoxFan562004 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 01:48 PM) One of them is Contreras, I know... but the reason I ask that is because I'm a little surprised there's not been more All-Star buzz about him. It's not like he came otu of nowhere - he was a first round pick, after all. unfortunately people tend to look at w-l when it comes to all-star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 12:49 PM) WRONG Let's capitalize on the error, boys! Not wrong at all. It just depends on whether you count the "unqualified" pitchers or not. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitchi...d=a&pos=all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 12:51 PM) Not wrong at all. It just depends on whether you count the "unqualified" pitchers or not. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/pitchi...d=a&pos=all Why would you count the unqualified? He's 5th in ERA for qualified SP's in the AL, and Jose is 4th. Period. Edited June 9, 2008 by whitesoxbrian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 11:48 AM) One of them is Contreras, I know... but the reason I ask that is because I'm a little surprised there's not been more All-Star buzz about him. It's not like he came otu of nowhere - he was a first round pick, after all. Actually, right now, JD and JC have pretty close to identical ERA's. A scoreless 4th and Danks passes Jose I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) anyone else sick of farmer asking stone if he sends the runners on every single pitch do you send em here? what about here? what about here? ok, how bout now? Edited June 9, 2008 by Greg Hibbard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 02:50 PM) unfortunately people tend to look at w-l when it comes to all-star Which pisses me off. A W-L record tells you NOTHING about a pitcher's individual performance during a season. Personally the first thing I look at is ERA, it doesn't tell you everything but as a stat it probably tells you the most by itself. When I'm judging who I pick for the All-Star game I don't even look at W-L record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 01:53 PM) Which pisses me off. A W-L record tells you NOTHING about a pitcher's individual performance during a season. Personally the first thing I look at is ERA, it doesn't tell you everything but as a stat it probably tells you the most by itself. When I'm judging who I pick for the All-Star game I don't even look at W-L record. ERA+ is also good since it's league and ballpark adjusted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Come on PK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 battle by Quentin ends in a walk, bases loaded for Paulie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Lets go Paul, keep your opposite field approach so you don't rollover on anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Time for Paulie to go ahead and sweep this series right here. This is a big moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 first thing you should look at is WHIP when evaluating a pitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 11:53 AM) ERA+ is also good since it's league and ballpark adjusted WHIP is also very telling, and is probably the most meaningful stat for a reliever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 02:53 PM) ERA+ is also good since it's league and ballpark adjusted I look at that after I look at WHIP and K:BB ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 01:51 PM) Why would you count the unqualified? Because...because I wanted to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 01:54 PM) first thing you should look at is WHIP when evaluating a pitcher Mabye when eveluating how dominating a pitcher has been. But the goal is still to not allow the opposing team to score, making era more important, imo. EDIT: I should say for a starter, relief pitchers are a whole different story. Edited June 9, 2008 by Rowand44 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 02:55 PM) WHIP is also very telling, and is probably the most meaningful stat for a reliever. Agreed, I wish there was a reliable stat for inherited runners allowed to score. It would make me so mad last year when Bukvich would come in last year, allow the runner on 2nd and 3rd to score on the first pitch, then allow no earned runs of his own so he's got something like a 3.63 ERA by the time he's done... ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/mf868 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxbrian Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Late @$$ call by the ump there. Come on JT, pick him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 geez-us this guy works slow...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 darnit PK, a K, and looking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jphat007 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 Pauly swung at the balls and looked at the (BS) strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSoxMatt Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 i dunno, looked like a strike to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jun 9, 2008 -> 02:54 PM) first thing you should look at is WHIP when evaluating a pitcher Not necessarily - some pitchers are very good at inducing DPs, or otherwise just keeping the lineup out of any meaningful rhythm. So you have to look at ERA and WHIP both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2008 Share Posted June 9, 2008 The last 3 days we were doing something with opportunities like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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