thedoctor Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 The Dodgers, before obtaining shortstop Angel Berroa, attempted to acquire White Sox infielder Juan Uribe in a deal for Esteban Loaiza, major-league sources say. The Dodgers offered to split the difference between Loaiza's contract and Uribe's, but the White Sox balked and signed Loaiza for the pro-rated minimum after the Dodgers released him — a move that also enabled them to retain Uribe as a trade chip. The White Sox could move either Uribe or Pablo Ozuna and add a reserve outfielder now that Alexei Ramirez has taken over at second base . . . rosenthal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCQ Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Proves Loaizas a bum. THey wanted to trade and couldnt so they just dumped him. Hopefully Coop can save his career again. Smart move by kenny i have to say, but hopefully uribe does still go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 (edited) They might have been the only team willing to take Uribe. What other teams might want Uribe now? NOTE: I'm not saying this was a bad move, as Kenny got Loiza for nothing and at a cheaper price (right?). Edited June 11, 2008 by BearSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 09:23 AM) NOTE: I'm not saying this was a bad move, as Kenny got Loiza for nothing and at a cheaper price (right?). Exactly right. We would have been out much more and without our quality defensive backup. As long as Uribe remains a defensive backup, he's pretty valuable to this team right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted June 11, 2008 Author Share Posted June 11, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 03:29 PM) Exactly right. We would have been out much more and without our quality defensive backup. As long as Uribe remains a defensive backup, he's pretty valuable to this team right now. agree completely. some have allowed their hatred of uribe to cloud their view of his ability. is he a top-level shortstop or second baseman? no. is he one of the dregs of mlb who has no place playing pro ball? no. he does have value, although some will allow their personal bias to cloud that reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 10:23 AM) They might have been the only team willing to take Uribe. What other teams might want Uribe now? Baltimore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 08:35 AM) Baltimore I'm pretty sure Baltimore won't be in contention next month, and if that's the case, they'd have no interest in wasting a couple mil and any type of prospect for Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 There are a lot of team who are only an injury away from needing an experienced MLB shortstop... and it's a long season. I wouldn't be in a hurry to dump Uribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 10:37 AM) I'm pretty sure Baltimore won't be in contention next month, and if that's the case, they'd have no interest in wasting a couple mil and any type of prospect for Uribe. Baltimore needs something of a stopgap at SS. Bynum is basically a backup infielder who is filling a void. Obviously we're not going to get anything anywhere near MLB-ready (that's just silly) but they would probably consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Is Richar tradable now, or will Alexei be at SS next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Loaiza is not abum. He is a very good pitcher and has a god history with the Sox. Cooper shoud be able to get him on track and he can do the job he was signed to do - long relief and spot start. Uribe is a great glove man and may very well be a trade chip. I am still baffled by why he hsn't played at all since returning from the DL. Ramirez is playing very well, but Uribe can fill in at SS-2B or 3B and hasn't even been in in the late innings. No at bats either that I am aware of. If he is not filling any role other than keeping the bench warm and the water bucket full for the team I would think a trade is in line soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 11:06 AM) Is Richar tradable now, or will Alexei be at SS next year? I think it would be silly, and borderline stupid to trade Richar right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 09:44 AM) Baltimore needs something of a stopgap at SS. Bynum is basically a backup infielder who is filling a void. Obviously we're not going to get anything anywhere near MLB-ready (that's just silly) but they would probably consider it. Yeah, for Jay Payton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 The Dodgers have had some bad luck with SS this year. I think Uribe could help them, now that Frucal is gone till july. Maybe they get lucky and he gets hot for a month or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 B-More's obviously the main option, but they've got Cintron there now IIRC. Realistically, Uribe is only going to be a backup for almost every team. Hence the Sox need to look at teams that need a backup infielder, but then the Sox need to find an upgrade from Uribe themselves if they trade him, and I don't know if they can do that. My guess is, Uribe stays here for the season, and then leaves for free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Nice dealing by Kenny. Saved us two million dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 QUOTE (scenario @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 06:42 AM) There are a lot of team who are only an injury away from needing an experienced MLB shortstop... and it's a long season. I wouldn't be in a hurry to dump Uribe. +1 The Sox would also be screwed if they dealt or DFA'd Uribe and Cabrera got hurt. Keep Juan on the bench and use him as a defensive sub and to spell the starters when they get a day off. His bat makes him worth so little that trading him is almost pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sircaffey Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Loaiza is barely hitting 80mph on his fastball. This situation is like Parque a while back. I seriously doubt Loaiza makes it through the season with the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 Loaiza is barely hitting 80mph on his fastball. This situation is like Parque a while back. I seriously doubt Loaiza makes it through the season with the Sox. Is his velocity really that low? I thought I read in one of the game threads when Loaiza pitched his fastball was sitting at 88 or so. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (29andPoplar @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 11:47 AM) Is his velocity really that low? I thought I read in one of the game threads when Loaiza pitched his fastball was sitting at 88 or so. ?? The first game he pitched in, this is what the TV radar gun readings were showing. 88mph that is... Edited June 11, 2008 by southsider2k5 making clear on speeds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 As long as Uribe is not starting, I'm ok with him being here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 B-More's obviously the main option, but they've got Cintron there now IIRC. Realistically, Uribe is only going to be a backup for almost every team. Hence the Sox need to look at teams that need a backup infielder, but then the Sox need to find an upgrade from Uribe themselves if they trade him, and I don't know if they can do that. My guess is, Uribe stays here for the season, and then leaves for free agency. Uribe is a big time insurance policy. I don't think the White Sox are in a big hurry to launch him, unless they get something they really like in return. It should be factored in that Uribe plays an excellent 3B even though he hasn't been seen much over there. If something happens to Crede or Cabrera or Ramirez, Uribe is the guy. We have to remember they (Williams and Guillen) are really valuing defense to support this pitching staff. Plus they like Ozuna in his role ... spot starter, pinch runner, spark plug, all around good guy to have on the team, etc. What they might do is sign a guy or two for Charlotte and build some depth there, just in case. There have been quite a few guys DFA'd lately around baseball. Although I will see if God forbid something happens to Cabrera, KW's first phone call will be to SF about Vizquel, despite Vizquel's weak stats last year and so far this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 11:48 AM) The first game he pitched in, this is what the TV radar gun readings were showing. 88mph that is... He pitched another game at the Cell I was at, his second appearance I think, and he was at 87 on the gun there. Comcast is usually 1 or 2 mph higher, which would be that 88. So while he certainly isn't blowing anyone away, he's also not pitching in the 70's as was stated earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
29andPoplar Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 The first game he pitched in, this is what the TV radar gun readings were showing. 88mph that is... Ok good, I thought so but wasn't sure. When the Sox pick up a pticher like this, they're usually pretty good about knowing the guy is in relatively good health and has something to offer. Actually I don't think they'll touch the roster until all these interleague games are done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted June 11, 2008 Share Posted June 11, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 11, 2008 -> 10:48 AM) The first game he pitched in, this is what the TV radar gun readings were showing. 88mph that is... He hit 88 ONCE on the TV radar gun. Most of his fastballs were 85-86. If that gun was even remotely accurate, I'm not holding my breath on waiting for him to regain '03 form, or even roster-worthy form. Edited June 11, 2008 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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