joeynach Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 To me its really simple. For whatever reason, I personally think hes afraid, he refuses to pitch inside to some hitters and lineups. The last two starts against the cubs seem to confirm this. He pitched both starts away, away, away, even while changing speeds and got killed. He needs to pitch inside to be successful, period. Its thats simple. Hey Javy...MAN UP and pitch inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 I'm startin' to get a lilttle scared. We're not winning jack without Javy performing up to expectations. Hopefully it's just a bad month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 29, 2008 -> 02:58 AM) I'm startin' to get a lilttle scared. We're not winning jack without Javy performing up to expectations. Hopefully it's just a bad month. I hear ya. I'm hoping it's just a bump in the road as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 QUOTE (joeynach @ Jun 29, 2008 -> 03:29 AM) To me its really simple. For whatever reason, I personally think hes afraid, he refuses to pitch inside to some hitters and lineups. The last two starts against the cubs seem to confirm this. He pitched both starts away, away, away, even while changing speeds and got killed. He needs to pitch inside to be successful, period. Its thats simple. Hey Javy...MAN UP and pitch inside. Actually you are digging too deep on this. For Javy its simple. If he throws strikes, he is effective. If you watched yesterdays game. Right after Ozzie's mound visit, he pitched for a short period of time very well. The minute he gets behind in the count, thats when he gets hurt. When people get to elminate pitches on him, and look dead red then he is not good. All he needs to do is throw more strikes and this gets fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangercal Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 29, 2008 -> 04:58 AM) I'm startin' to get a lilttle scared. We're not winning jack without Javy performing up to expectations. Hopefully it's just a bad month. I disagree. A lot of teams would kill for 4/5 good starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankensteiner Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 29, 2008 -> 03:58 AM) I'm startin' to get a lilttle scared. We're not winning jack without Javy performing up to expectations. Hopefully it's just a bad month. Vazquez is 31 and has a career 4.29 ERA. His ERA in 2008 is 4.49. What were your expectations? Maybe they've been unrealistic because he's pretty much in-line with his career norms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 He was maddening to watch yesterday, but we did win, so all is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted June 29, 2008 Author Share Posted June 29, 2008 QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 29, 2008 -> 03:11 PM) He was maddening to watch yesterday, but we did win, so all is good. Pitching bad and getting away with it is not a recipe for success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 I know I say this a lot but pitchers don't "win" games, Javy did not win the game for us yesterday even if he gets a W. His start gave us only a fair chance at winning, not a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TCQ Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 QUOTE (Frankensteiner @ Jun 29, 2008 -> 12:33 PM) Vazquez is 31 and has a career 4.29 ERA. His ERA in 2008 is 4.49. What were your expectations? Maybe they've been unrealistic because he's pretty much in-line with his career norms. Exactly and hes never won more than 15 games in a season, so hes no ace. Hopefully he will get a lil more consistant. All he has to do is throw strikes its not about being afraid, its about not being mentally tough, piling up a few poor starts isnt helping his confidence and thats all he needs. Hopefully one good start can snap him out of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) One of Javy's problems is that he seems to want to strike everyone out. And once he gets behind on guys, he overcompensates to do it. When he gets ahead of guys, he's lethal. Edited June 29, 2008 by scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted June 29, 2008 Author Share Posted June 29, 2008 QUOTE (TCQ @ Jun 29, 2008 -> 04:57 PM) Exactly and hes never won more than 15 games in a season, so hes no ace. Hopefully he will get a lil more consistant. All he has to do is throw strikes its not about being afraid, its about not being mentally tough, piling up a few poor starts isnt helping his confidence and thats all he needs. Hopefully one good start can snap him out of this. Hes got a nasty two seamer that he can run in to righties and tie them up. The problem us unless he uses it on the first pitch he doesn't use it. If he is pitching away on pitches 1 or 2, he never ever comes in with a hard moving inside fastball. Like I said it looks like hes afraid that if hes not perfect with it, at least in those situations, he is afraid it will get crushed. So he just doesn't bother throwing it. Same thing with this curveball, sometimes he seems afraid to throw it for fear of hanging a cookie. His stuff is so good its frustrating to see him afraid to throw some of his arsenal at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 QUOTE (TCQ @ Jun 29, 2008 -> 05:57 PM) Exactly and hes never won more than 15 games in a season, so hes no ace. Look at the crap team he pitched for. The fact that he has never won > 15 games means absolutely nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 29, 2008 Share Posted June 29, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (scenario @ Jun 29, 2008 -> 07:08 PM) Look at the crap team he pitched for. The fact that he has never won > 15 games means absolutely nothing. Curt Schilling won a whopping 9 games once when he had a 3.19 ERA and a 1.09 WHIP. Then he had a similar season 2 years later, but only won 15 games even though he struck out 300 and had 268.7 IP. He played for the Phillies when they were terrible. So, yeah, bottom line is that wins by a pitcher really don't mean anything, at all, especially as a measurement of something for a short period of time. Edited June 29, 2008 by lostfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted June 30, 2008 Author Share Posted June 30, 2008 Im not worried about his win total. I could care less. Im worried about him giving up 9 hits in in 4+ innings like he did yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.