If you could improve this team, how would you do it?

[SoxFan1]

Im holding out hope that Konerko comes back and plays like his true self. Otherwise I like Swish at 1B and I would try to find an actual lead off hitter.

Thats what I'm going with as well. If we could have Konerko as our DH, with Swish at 1B, and a good lead-off CF, that would be optimal. Whoever the leadoff man is, it allows Cabrera to move back down into the 2 hole (and he's been on fire lately), AJ down to the 5 or 6, and Alexei's hot bat stays somewhere 7-9. It would legitimize the entire batting order. Guys like Taveras, Freel, Figgins, or Ichiro would be a REALLY nice additions.

 

CF Freel/Figgins/Ichiro?

SS Cabrera

LF Quentin

RF Dye

DH Konerko/Thome

C Pierzynski

1B Swisher

3B Crede

2B Ramirez

 

Another option, trade for a 2B who could lead-off and put Alexei in CF. Roberts, Figgins, Freel...

[GreatScott82]

If the Sox can find a way to replace Thome and/or find a true leadoff guy, that should be the target.

 

I'm happy with the pitching staff.

agreed... when Pauly comes back, move him to DH, and find a leadoff hitter.... My guy is Willy Tavarez!

[BearSox]

Willy Taveras and his amazing .252 average and .301 OBP (and that's with him playing half of his games in Colorado!)...? I'll pass.

[lostfan]

In fairness to Taveras he's hitting pretty well below expectations atm (granted, in 2007 he was probably playing over his head too).

 

But if he's going to hit like he is now, the hell with that, I'd rather just have Jerry Owens called up (and I will take Owens over Wise easily too).

[GreatScott82]

Willy Taveras and his amazing .252 average and .301 OBP (and that's with him playing half of his games in Colorado!)...? I'll pass.

He's actually hitting .311 in his last 10 games so he's moving that average up. He's also 36/40 in SBs. This guy is a career .287 hitter, he hit .320 last year. And his .301 OBP is not too far from Thome's .351 OBP. In 234 ABs this year Thome struck out 73 times, according to my math he strikes out once every 3 ABs. Not good, he's clearly on the decline, I wish everyone would realize that instead of honoring him for being 'so nice and classy'.

[Balta1701]

He's actually hitting .311 in his last 10 games so he's moving that average up. He's also 36/40 in SBs. This guy is a career .287 hitter, he hit .320 last year. And his .301 OBP is not too far from Thome's .351 OBP. In 234 ABs this year Thome struck out 73 times, according to my math he strikes out once every 3 ABs. Not good, he's clearly on the decline, I wish everyone would realize that instead of honoring him for being 'so nice and classy'.

You lost me right there. A .301 OBP is terrible and is a mile from a .351 OBP.

 

And on Thome, in the middle of his decline you say, his OBP in June is .386 and his OPS in June despite all those pinch hit appearances is .972.

[Gregory Pratt]

Never said they weren't, that still doesn't answer my question.

 

I'm sure Kenny would personally drive Floyd or Danks to the airport as part of a package for either of them.

[witesoxfan]

It would be nice if people could look into stats a bit more and find out why some of these guys have bad overall season numbers...it's generally because they were absolutely horrendous in April and/or May. June has been good to the White Sox, outside of like two series.

 

As for a move, the only move I'd make would be one to shore up the bench...perhaps 2 moves to shore up the bench. I'd get rid of Russell and Ozuna by the end of the season and add to hitters to the bench, though I'm not sure as to who exactly I would add.

[Rowand44]

This team certainly has holes

Tony, what holes exactly? I'm pretty sure I know what you mean but I'd say more weaknesses than holes. At this point, I don't see a glaring hole on this team.

 

[Rowand44]

I'm sure Kenny would personally drive Floyd or Danks to the airport as part of a package for either of them.

I really doubt that.

[joejoedairy]

Any chance we could trade Thome and maybe Fields for Chone. That would be the only way to make the team any better

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He's actually hitting .311 in his last 10 games so he's moving that average up. He's also 36/40 in SBs. This guy is a career .287 hitter, he hit .320 last year. And his .301 OBP is not too far from Thome's .351 OBP. In 234 ABs this year Thome struck out 73 times, according to my math he strikes out once every 3 ABs. Not good, he's clearly on the decline, I wish everyone would realize that instead of honoring him for being 'so nice and classy'.

Shouldn't we be counting how many times he strikes out per plate appearance if we want to accurately make a point?

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Willy Taveras and his amazing .252 average and .301 OBP (and that's with him playing half of his games in Colorado!)...? I'll pass.

I'll pass too considering how much would it take to get him, which I can only guess is far too much.

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Any chance we could trade Thome and maybe Fields for Chone. That would be the only way to make the team any better

Who would you bench then?

[SoxFan1]

Who would you bench then?

No reason you can't put Chone in CF.

 

CF Figgins

SS Cabrera

LF Quentin

RF Dye

DH Konerko

C Pierzynski

1B Swisher

3B Crede

2B Ramirez

 

Or, you put Swish in CF, Konerko at 1B, Figgins at 3rd, and let Crede DH to rest his back.

 

3B Figgins

SS Cabrera

LF Quentin

RF Dye

1B Konerko

C Pierzynski

CF Swisher

DH Crede

2B Ramirez

[witesoxfan]

Any chance we could trade Thome and maybe Fields for Chone. That would be the only way to make the team any better

 

You are joking right? Thome AND Fields for Chone f***ing Figgins? You're fistf***ing me in my ass, right? Because that would be among the absolute worst moves the White Sox could make...it doesn't even make sense!

 

I mean, for Christ's sake, let's get real here folks...you want to trade potentially 70 homers from next year's lineup for a guy that hits for a little bit of average and steals a few bases. That's 70 guaranteed runs that you might not get at all out of Figgins, and he's paying 3B.

 

I really hate how this site becomes obsessed with certain players and then won't let those fascinations go, and will even go to great lengths to attempt to "acquire" those players. Trading Thome AND Fields for a solid but overrated hitter...what else is new?

 

 

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No reason you can't put Chone in CF.

 

CF Figgins

SS Cabrera

LF Quentin

RF Dye

DH Konerko

C Pierzynski

1B Swisher

3B Crede

2B Ramirez

 

Or, you put Swish in CF, Konerko at 1B, Figgins at 3rd, and let Crede DH to rest his back.

 

3B Figgins

SS Cabrera

LF Quentin

RF Dye

1B Konerko

C Pierzynski

CF Swisher

DH Crede

2B Ramirez

So you'd bench a hot hitting thome, who is probably the 3rd best hitter on the sox, and statistically the 4th best, for chone, who'd you give up a s***load to acquire. That makes little sense to me. Thome had a bad start so lets trade him at his lowest value, that's what smart GMs do right? Who cares if he has been good for a month now.

 

Crede DH? Are you on f***ing crack? The guy is awesome defensively.

Edited June 30, 2008 by Maxwell

[SoxFan1]

So you'd bench a hot hitting thome, who is probably the 3rd best hitter on the sox, and statistically the 4th best, for chone, who'd you give up a s***load to acquire. That makes little sense to me. Thome had a bad start so lets trade him at his lowest value, that's what smart GMs do right? Who cares if he has been good for a month now.

 

Crede DH? Are you on f***ing crack? The guy is awesome defensively.

Calm your tits. When did I say any of that? I'm simply going off what that guy said in his scenario. And f*** no I wouldn't deal Thome and Fields for Figgins.

 

And Crede's awesome defense is good for last in the league in fielding percentage and most errors among third basemen.

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Calm your tits. When did I say any of that? I'm simply going off what that guy said in his scenario. And f*** no I wouldn't deal Thome and Fields for Figgins.

 

And Crede's awesome defense is good for last in the league in fielding percentage and most errors among third basemen.

I didn't say you said that. I would like to see what your reasons are though, if I'm wrong.

 

If you are serious about crede's defense, you aren't too bright. Does he make up for those errors or not?

Edited June 30, 2008 by Maxwell

[SoxFan1]

I didn't say you said that. I would like to see what your reasons are though, if I'm wrong.

What are you talking about? I wouldn't do that deal in the first place. I'm just pondering what the offense would like like + Figgins and - Thome,

 

EDIT: As far as Crede's defense, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, he's a stud, but he is having a terrible year this season. But that's just my opinion. Then again, I'm not too bright.

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What are you talking about? I wouldn't do that deal in the first place. I'm just pondering what the offense would like like + Figgins and - Thome,

Ok. I thought you were agreeing with him.

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What are you talking about? I wouldn't do that deal in the first place. I'm just pondering what the offense would like like + Figgins and - Thome,

 

EDIT: As far as Crede's defense, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, he's a stud, but he is having a terrible year this season. But that's just my opinion. Then again, I'm not too bright.

hahaha. Neither am I, clearly.

Edited June 30, 2008 by Maxwell

[GreatScott82]

You lost me right there. A .301 OBP is terrible and is a mile from a .351 OBP.

 

And on Thome, in the middle of his decline you say, his OBP in June is .386 and his OPS in June despite all those pinch hit appearances is .972.

I hope Thome keeps proving me wrong. And if we keep him (we probably will keep him) i hope he turns his year around full circle. However, there will be a time when the bats cool down and with the inability to manufacture runs, we maybe in trouble down the road. So we need one more guy who can set that table for those types of situations, obviously nobody likes Tavarez, than who else is there? And if you dont think we need a true leadoff hitter, how are we going to win when the bats cool off in August or September?

[beck72]

The sox seem pretty well set as far as regulars go-both position players and pitching. With guys like Owens, Fields and Richar in AAA, and Broadway, Clayton Richard decent options as well should someone go down, overpaying for someone doesn't make sense. Kenny set up the team with internal options in case of injury/ ineffectiveness. It's working out well so far.

 

With Ramirez, Quentin, Brian Anderson, and Masset playing much better than pre-season expectations, that has helped put the sox in a good position not to overpay for possible marginal upgrades.

[YASNY]

If the Sox make a move, it's going to be an under the radar type of player to add versatility, depth or possibly speed. I don't believe any of the regular position players or our pitchers will be pushed back for any acquisitions, unless it's Russell. Ozuna could possibly be bumped off the roster, as well, but I believe they'll keep Uribe as injury insurance. Of course, Wise or Anderson could be bumped as well, though I'd hate to see Anderson shipped out or down. I think I value good defense more than the average fan and BA certainly supplies that.

Edited June 30, 2008 by YASNY