lostfan Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (YASNY @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 12:00 PM) Paulie is a proven solid major league hitter that has struggled due to a couple of nagging injuries. It's very difficult to perform at the major league level when you are 100%, let alone when you aren't. Look at the difference between '07 and '08 for Toby Hall. I can't believe people that just want to throw Paulie under the bus when he has been so solid for so long in a Sox uniform. It just hurts to watch him suck when you know he's capable of doing so much better. I try not to pile on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 12:00 PM) I agree completely, but I'm also saying that someone who plays CF should be one of the premiere defensive 1st baseman with a bit of experience (because "defensive" tools a Cfer possesses is superior to those a 1B possesses). Heck, just look at Darin Erstad, he was an absolutel stud at 1st (than again, in his prime, he was an absolutely stud in CF too). I think players like Erstad just have multiple defensive tools, some guys can do that. Things like the ability to judge where a fly ball will land and range won't do much for you in the infield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 10:01 AM) Basically I wanted to remind people that Konerko is the one responsible for the poor production at first this season. I understand that now. I read it initially as "the only production we've had has come from injured konerko" but what you were actually saying was "the terrible production is from an injured konerko" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 08:49 AM) A productive Konerko may be a thing of the past. At this point he's too streaky. If you think you're ever seeing Paul Konerko hit .280 again, well, props to you, because I just don't see it. At this point, at best, he's a .260/30/90 guy. With the boppers we have elsewhere in the lineup, I'll take the defense in the outfield and Swisher's increased range at 1B over that. Geez, you'd think Paulie is 37-38 based on some of these posts. The guy is 32, and to assume he will never be anything more than a very mediocre power hitter, especially in the following 3 or 4 years, is crazy. Will he be anything more than a very mediocre power hitter? I don't know, I can't see the future. But I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt due to his baseball knowledge and his career success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 02:31 PM) Geez, you'd think Paulie is 37-38 based on some of these posts. The guy is 32, and to assume he will never be anything more than a very mediocre power hitter, especially in the following 3 or 4 years, is crazy. Will he be anything more than a very mediocre power hitter? I don't know, I can't see the future. But I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt due to his baseball knowledge and his career success. Ya think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 03:31 PM) Geez, you'd think Paulie is 37-38 based on some of these posts. The guy is 32, and to assume he will never be anything more than a very mediocre power hitter, especially in the following 3 or 4 years, is crazy. Will he be anything more than a very mediocre power hitter? I don't know, I can't see the future. But I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt due to his baseball knowledge and his career success. Yup. And a healthy Paul Konerko coming back to this team is a better hitter than anything out there in the trade market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan1 Posted June 30, 2008 Share Posted June 30, 2008 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 30, 2008 -> 04:08 PM) Yup. And a healthy Paul Konerko coming back to this team is a better hitter than anything out there in the trade market. A healthy Konerko in the lineup improves this offense immensely. I'll take my chances on PK producing more than I will a platoon of Wise/Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 IIRC, wasn't Konerko hitting around .250 at the time of the All Star break in 05? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 05:54 AM) IIRC, wasn't Konerko hitting around .250 at the time of the All Star break in 05? .249, but with 20 hr and 55 rbi. He was also 29 then, not 32. Things change. Also .249 > .215 I also tend to look at his 2006 stats to see the type of hitter he's truly become. Right around my estimations of .260/30/90 with a .259/31/90 season (and I didn't even look it up). That's the type of hitter he is IF HE'S REALLY LUCKY from his return from the DL til the end of the season. Hell, to break .260 he'd have to hit nearly .300... I don't hate the guy, I just have realistic expectations... Edited July 1, 2008 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 1, 2008 -> 08:36 AM) .249, but with 20 hr and 55 rbi. He was also 29 then, not 32. Things change. Also .249 > .215 I also tend to look at his 2006 stats to see the type of hitter he's truly become. Right around my estimations of .260/30/90 with a .259/31/90 season (and I didn't even look it up). That's the type of hitter he is IF HE'S REALLY LUCKY from his return from the DL til the end of the season. Hell, to break .260 he'd have to hit nearly .300... I don't hate the guy, I just have realistic expectations... 2006 was Konerko's best season... and if you forget, in 07, all three of Dye, Konerko, and Thome had pretty bad seasons. So, why is Konerko being held to the standards of 07 when Dye isn't? Plus, so far this season, Konerko hasn't been healthy at all. You aren't looking at this realistically. You are looking at this in a very biased view. I know hitter degress as they get older, but to assume a hitter can turn from a well above average hitter to a very mediocre hitter in just a short time of 2-3 years, you must be crazy. You act as if the gap of 29 to 32 is some jurastic gap in which someone will turn into half the hitter he once was. I don't know what PK did to you, but you aren't looking at this realistically at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Thome had a very good 2007, and Jermaine Dye's 2007 was one of the most underrated on the board. It's no coincidence that the team was actually respectable in the second half because Dye absolutely tore the s*** out of the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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