Sox all-stars

[Lemon_44]

Who do you think is in for the Sox come the All-star game?

Here's a list of the guys that should be considered and what i think there chances are:

 

Carlos Quentin-should be 100% in

Jermain Dye- he should make the team but i could see Francona bypassing him. i say 80% in.

Joe Crede-his errors will hurt him but he has top be in the mix for backup 3b. In the end,i say Francona will go with his own Mike Lowell. Longoria should also be in the mix. Chances are 20% Crede gets in.

Scott Linebrink- no question he should be in,but you never know-95%

Bobby Jenks- same as Linebrink

AJ- Francona will probably screw over AJ and go with his .220 hitting team captain,Jason Varitek. 50%

Danks and Floyd-will probably get talked about but i can't see either getting named. If Danks had some more run support then he'd be a lock. I'll give each about 5% chance.

Ramirez-too many good 2b for him to be looked at even though over the last 6 weeks he's probably been about as good as anyone.

 

That's 5 guys(CQ,JD,AJ,BJ,SL) that i think should be in the game for sure but you know they won't get 5 because they have to take their required number of Yankees and Red Sox. After all is said and done, i say 3 guys get in(Quentin, Linebrink,Jenks) and Dye, AJ get hosed, which is OK because they could probably use the time off anyway.

[The Critic]

My guess is Quentin and Dye make it.

Middle relievers are often ignored in favor of closers, so I think Linebrink gets jobbed.

[fathom]

I'll guess CQ, Danks, and Linebrink.

[smalls2598]

My guess is Quentin and Dye make it.

Middle relievers are often ignored in favor of closers, so I think Linebrink gets jobbed.

I agree 100%.

It's a shame, one of the best pitching staffs in all of baseball, yet none will probably make the All-Star team. Unless, of course, they are on the Last Man Ballot.

[NorthSideSox72]

Still depends a bit on the remaining games, but, I'll guess Quentin, Dye and Danks/Floyd depending on their next starts.

 

Linebrink is deserving but won't get it, being a setup guy. Jenks may get in - outside chance. If he does, then none of the starters will.

 

[GoSox05]

I think AJ and O.C have a solid chance at making it. Pitching is kind of a toss up, if Danks was 8-3 he makes it easy.

[lostfan]

It's just sad to me that wins are actually a metric that people use, and the first thing people look at. Danks should have 10 or 11 wins now and it's not his fault he's a 5 game winner, and it's obvious when you look at his stats.

 

Wins = useless.

[Lemon_44]

It's just sad to me that wins are actually a metric that people use, and the first thing people look at. Danks should have 10 or 11 wins now and it's not his fault he's a 5 game winner, and it's obvious when you look at his stats.

 

Wins = useless.

 

I'll take 95 useless wins for the White Sox

[soxfan3530]

Guys who should make it:

Carlos Quentin

Jermaine Dye

Bobby Jenks

Scott Linebrink

John Danks

AJP

maybe Gavin Floyd

 

Guys who will make it:

CQ

hopefully Dye and Jenks.

Really think Danks should be there, but I think his lack of wins will cost him.

[letsgoarow]

CQ, Dye, Jenks, Danks, and AJ

[Chisoxfn]

My guess is Quentin and Dye make it.

Middle relievers are often ignored in favor of closers, so I think Linebrink gets jobbed.

Quentin and Dye should be locks if they don't fall into massive slumps. Linebrink has a good chance if they grab a setup man but they may go with closers (Jenks has no chance, imo). The other sleeper would be AJ who is easily one of the best hitting catchers in the AL.

 

At 3B, I can tell you Arod and Longoria both would get the nod over Crede to me (I'm giving some Dray love).

[Chisoxfn]

It's just sad to me that wins are actually a metric that people use, and the first thing people look at. Danks should have 10 or 11 wins now and it's not his fault he's a 5 game winner, and it's obvious when you look at his stats.

 

Wins = useless.

Still, while Danks has been amazing in terms of limiting runs and he's definately been hurt by the lack of run support you can put some of the blown games or no decisions on him because he has had a good deal of outings where he doesn't go deep into games which than puts it on the pen earlier and just increases the likelihood of the decision falling on someone else.

 

That above is why I do believe you can't just ignore wins. Obviously it is dependent on other factors, but there are certain things pitchers can do to step up. Plus, sometimes you have to just cinch her up and hunker down when you know you have a lesser margin of error (ie, facing a tougher opponent or when your going head to head with another ace).

 

Danks last night...now thats one of those games where he was completely jobbed, but you could say the same thing about Cliff Lee.

[lostfan]

Still, while Danks has been amazing in terms of limiting runs and he's definately been hurt by the lack of run support you can put some of the blown games or no decisions on him because he has had a good deal of outings where he doesn't go deep into games which than puts it on the pen earlier and just increases the likelihood of the decision falling on someone else.

 

That above is why I do believe you can't just ignore wins. Obviously it is dependent on other factors, but there are certain things pitchers can do to step up. Plus, sometimes you have to just cinch her up and hunker down when you know you have a lesser margin of error (ie, facing a tougher opponent or when your going head to head with another ace).

 

Danks last night...now thats one of those games where he was completely jobbed, but you could say the same thing about Cliff Lee.

I'm a firm believer in the quality start - if you go 6 innings and haven't given up many runs, that's enough for the team. If you have the lead, you should win when you come out, 6 innings is a fair expectation for a starter most times. If he goes more than that, all the better.

 

Danks certainly has his fair share of quality starts, and not the borderline 6 IP 3 ER ones either.

Edited July 2, 2008 by lostfan

[DBAHO]

Danks has a 1.98 ERA since the Twins start, which was his 2nd start of the season IIRC.

 

He certainly deserves a spot, and I'll be disappointed if he misses out.

 

Quentin should go, Dye's borderline and Linebrink is 50-50 (probably deserves a spot, but closers over middle relievers). Guys like Soria may make it over Linebrink just because each team has to have a representative.

[Chisoxfn]

I'm a firm believer in the quality start - if you go 6 innings and haven't given up many runs, that's enough for the team. If you have the lead, you should win when you come out, 6 innings is a fair expectation for a starter most times. If he goes more than that, all the better.

 

Danks certainly has his fair share of quality starts, and not the borderline 6 IP 3 ER ones either.

Quality starts are great and put your club in position to win the game, but I'm a bigger fan of a 7 inning 3 ER start because I think that puts the decision in the hands of the pitcher. Again, I'm a bit nitpicky there and am always happy with a quality start, but love it when our guys go 7.

[lostfan]

Quality starts are great and put your club in position to win the game, but I'm a bigger fan of a 7 inning 3 ER start because I think that puts the decision in the hands of the pitcher. Again, I'm a bit nitpicky there and am always happy with a quality start, but love it when our guys go 7.

Well if John Danks had Mark Buehrle's efficiency, he would be the best pitcher in the AL right now.

[iamshack]

It's just sad to me that wins are actually a metric that people use, and the first thing people look at. Danks should have 10 or 11 wins now and it's not his fault he's a 5 game winner, and it's obvious when you look at his stats.

 

Wins = useless.

 

Pretty much, however, part of the reason he has a low win total is his inability to go late in a lot of games. Certainly not down on Johnny, but the one thing he needs to work on is being more efficient and lasting longer into games (like last night). I know he certainly has not gotten the run support, but lasting a few more games into the 6th, 7th or 8th just may have netted him a few more w's (and will in the future).

 

Edit: Sorry, a bit late on this post. Was writing, then got a phone call.

Edited July 2, 2008 by iamshack

[maggsmaggs]

Without looking at anyone else's here is my take:

 

Quentin - no doubt, will get in and should = 100%

Dye - no doubt, should get in, but it might be tough with lots of AL outfielders having good years and the chance of him being bypassed for a bigger name = 50%

Danks - again, should be in no question, should have 10 wins, but it will close - 65%

Crede - offensively has solid numbers, defensive reputation is great, although he has played subpar this year. Francona knows his name - 65 %

Linebrink - numbers wise yes, but usually only closers make the game and he doesn't have overly impressive peripherals to garner all-star consideration - 5%

Jenks - numbers are great and great rep, but tough draw in AL with Papelbon, MO, Nathan, K-Rod. = 50%Z

AJ - solid year, big name and good shot at being picked after Mauer - 50%

Floyd - no because his numbers are not amazing and not a great reputation.

 

I say the Sox will get 4: Dye, Quentin, Danks and then one of Jenks/AJ/Crede. as well, one left out will be in the final ballott.

[lostfan]

Pretty much, however, part of the reason he has a low win total is his inability to go late in a lot of games. Certainly not down on Johnny, but the one thing he needs to work on is being more efficient and lasting longer into games (like last night). I know he certainly has not gotten the run support, but lasting a few more games into the 6th, 7th or 8th just may have netted him a few more w's (and will in the future).

 

Edit: Sorry, a bit late on this post. Was writing, then got a phone call.

He definitely needs to work on pitch count and go later into games. But even still, there have been several times where the team's inability to score or hold a lead has outright shafted him out of a win. At times, it's downright amusing. It was the same way last year, when it took him forever to get his first win. You'd think the team hates him.

[iamshack]

He definitely needs to work on pitch count and go later into games. But even still, there have been several times where the team's inability to score or hold a lead has outright shafted him out of a win. At times, it's downright amusing. It was the same way last year, when it took him forever to get his first win. You'd think the team hates him.

 

Yeah, it's almost bizarre how often we score two or less runs for him.

[whitesoxbrian]

Should:

Crede

Q

Dye

Linebrink

Danks

 

Could:

AJP

 

Will:

Q

Dye

Linebrink

[WCSox]

Yeah, it's almost bizarre how often we score two or less runs for him.

 

I seem to remember Mike Sirotka getting no run support back in early 2000, but he still finished with 15 wins. That said, he wasn't nearly as effective as Danks is this year. Danks has a good shot a missing double-digit wins this year, considering that he'll be limited in September.

 

Oh, and getting back to the topic, Quentin and Dye should at least be there as reserves. Jenks has a decent shot as well. Danks and Linebrink should be there as well, but won't be.

 

Edited July 2, 2008 by WCSox

[greg775]

Should be interesting. I think we'll get hosed and only have two.

I'll go with Carlos and AJ.

Just have a feeling. Dye might make it as well.

I'll say two of those three are in.

[SoxFan1]

The final ballot could probably consist of nothing but White Sox. The way I see it, CQ is probably our only lock. Dye most definitely deserves to be there, but there a ton of OF's having big seasons in the AL. AJ might get in because after Mauer, the catchers are relatively weak. Linebrink most definitely deserves to be in, but won't because he's a SU man. Jenks is a longshot with KRod, Mariano, Nathan, and Pap having big years. Danks and Floyd deserve to be in as well, but because neither has a gaudy record, they might miss out. Danks has a far better shot than Floyd. Crede has pissed me off too much to be an All Star. Take away 1 weekend, and his numbers don't look quite as good. Add the fact that he has been bad defensively and can't hit lefties? He doesn't deserve it.

[Kalapse]

The final ballot could probably consist of nothing but White Sox. The way I see it, CQ is probably our only lock. Dye most definitely deserves to be there, but there a ton of OF's having big seasons in the AL. AJ might get in because after Mauer, the catchers are relatively weak. Linebrink most definitely deserves to be in, but won't because he's a SU man. Jenks is a longshot with KRod, Mariano, Nathan, and Pap having big years. Danks and Floyd deserve to be in as well, but because neither has a gaudy record, they might miss out. Danks has a far better shot than Floyd. Crede has pissed me off too much to be an All Star. Take away 1 weekend, and his numbers don't look quite as good. Add the fact that he has been bad defensively and can't hit lefties? He doesn't deserve it.

A-Rod, Lowell and Longoria all probably deserve it more than Crede anyway.