kapkomet Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 19, 2008 -> 09:04 AM) I worry the GOP, the far right, and the McCain campaign will begin to tear Powell apart. Also, we saw how good Obama was at rolling out endorsements during the primaries. I wonder if this has been in the bag for a while now (a month or more) and they waited until 2 weeks before the election to roll it out. Powell did imply he's been leaning towards Obama for a month or two now. Especially when there was the report over a month ago that Powell was on the verge of endorsing Obama. By the way, let's just ABSOLUTELY cut to the chase here. Colin Powell has NEVER really been a Republican, from a social standpoint. So, him endorseing Obama is not race, it's issues, and reality is, he never really stood for anything the GOP ever did anyway, except the military. Period. Bottom line, his endorsment shouldn't mean a damn thing, nor should it be a surprise to anyone who listens to him speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 the more I read this the less I believe it, I don't think they are really pulling out, maybe just saying they are going to dedicate offices and people to Penn and add more like robocalls to CO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 the more I read this the less I believe it, I don't think they are really pulling out, maybe just saying they are going to dedicate offices and people to Penn and add more like robocalls to CO Agreed. I think some guy in the campaign just told a reporter what he thinks their chances in those states are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 We are so smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 21, 2008 -> 03:41 AM) By the way, let's just ABSOLUTELY cut to the chase here. Colin Powell has NEVER really been a Republican, from a social standpoint. So, him endorseing Obama is not race, it's issues, and reality is, he never really stood for anything the GOP ever did anyway, except the military. Period. Bottom line, his endorsment shouldn't mean a damn thing, nor should it be a surprise to anyone who listens to him speak. I disagree kap. Not on the political ideology of Powell, but rather of the impact. Powell is an impact endorsement. I feel like his is the equivelant of if Al Gore would've endorsed Obama in March for democrats. He is such a respected, above-it-all, American pride figure that him endorsing a figure people feel as risky because of his shorter-than-normal resume continues to calm peoples worries about that aspect. Is it a game-changer? no, nothing like an endorsement ever will be. BUt with something like this, in that moment in the polls, where people are going leaning Obama, but at last minute go with what they know, something like this is calming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I think if Ronald Reagan was still alive and endorsed Obama it would be a game-changer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Or if zombie Reagan endorsed Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 20, 2008 -> 09:41 PM) By the way, let's just ABSOLUTELY cut to the chase here. Colin Powell has NEVER really been a Republican, from a social standpoint. So, him endorseing Obama is not race, it's issues, and reality is, he never really stood for anything the GOP ever did anyway, except the military. Period. Bottom line, his endorsment shouldn't mean a damn thing, nor should it be a surprise to anyone who listens to him speak. I've read his autobio, I've seen him speak, I've read other books that talk at length about him. He is a social liberal, mostly (though not entirely). But he's also a strict federalist and tends to agree with the GOP on small government, the military, and finance. So to say he's never really stood for anything GOP isn't really accurate, IMO. That all said, he is a moderate, so his endorsement of Obama isn't a HUGE surprise. It may be helpful for Obama among moderates, to some very small extent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 21, 2008 -> 12:13 AM) Or if zombie Reagan endorsed Obama. He only endorses Brains these days. Him and Larry King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Criticize McCain... Get Kicked off the Plane. Time columnist Joe Klein, who’s been a forceful critic of the McCain campaign (and already said he’s unwilling to accept a post-election apology), has found himself without a seat on the McCain or Palin the past four months. In June, Klein was kept from boarding the McCain plane over what they said had been a security issue. More recently, when trying to fly on the Palin plane last week, Klein told Politico over e-mail that the campaign's response was he “couldn’t be accommodated at this time.” “I’ve done nine presidential campaigns and this is the first time this has ever happened to me,” Klein said. “I was even allowed—I won’t say welcomed—on the Clinton plane in the summer of 1996 after I was revealed as the author of Primary Colors.” “I rode with McCain during the primaries, but not since I asked him—at a June press conference—whether he really believed Ahmadinejad was the ‘leader’ of Iran, since he has no control over foreign policy or the nuclear program,” Klein continued. “That was when they suddenly told me that I hadn’t called in time to get secret service clearance. (I had called more than a day in advance.)" But he’s not the first high-profile critic to get the cold shoulder. New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette that she had been “banned” by the campaign for what they told her was “the foreseeable future.” Despite Dowd being kept off the planes, The Times continues to have reporters travel with the campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Cry me a river, Klein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Quote from McCain in Pennsylvania: Now, Joe didn't ask for Senator Obama to come to his house, and he didn't ask to be famous. He certainly didn't ask for the political attacks on him from the Obama campaign. I'd love to see some evidence that the Obama campaign is actually attacking Joe the plumber. (queue Super Mario Bros theme song) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 21, 2008 -> 09:24 AM) I'd love to see some evidence that the Obama campaign is actually attacking Joe the plumber. (queue Super Mario Bros theme song) Why bother with these posts? It's not going to end until the election declares a winner. The McCain campaign has consistently proven that facts don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 21, 2008 -> 08:24 AM) "he didn't ask to be famous" oh ya know... by say... using him in an ad? He may not have wanted to be famous, but the McCain campaign sure did a good job of making sue he was. If he hadn't been mentioned in the debate by McCain and the used in an ad, he'd have been a one day story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 21, 2008 -> 09:27 AM) He may not have wanted to be famous, but the McCain campaign sure did a good job of making sue he was. If he hadn't been mentioned in the debate by McCain and the used in an ad, he'd have been a one day story. Again, who cares? The facts don't matter when it comes to the McCain campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Obama went to his house? I thought they met at a rally or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 21, 2008 -> 08:57 AM) Obama went to his house? I thought they met at a rally or something. Last week Obama went door to door in parts of Ohio. Ya know... actually meeting with voters. Something McCain loves to say that Obama doesnt do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 20, 2008 -> 10:41 PM) By the way, let's just ABSOLUTELY cut to the chase here. Colin Powell has NEVER really been a Republican, from a social standpoint. So, him endorseing Obama is not race, it's issues, and reality is, he never really stood for anything the GOP ever did anyway, except the military. Period. Bottom line, his endorsment shouldn't mean a damn thing, nor should it be a surprise to anyone who listens to him speak. Interesting, I'm with you here, I never thought of him as a Republican. But I also never thought of him as a Dem either. As a VP candidate my comment was game.set.match if McCain or Obama could have gotten him. As an endorsement, I think some people dismissed it along obvious lines, not ideology. I believe it means even more if you believe it is issues not race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 (edited) Good post yesterday on MediaBloodhound. Andrea Mitchell is a ninny. Edited October 21, 2008 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 21, 2008 -> 11:17 AM) Good post yesterday on MediaBloodhound. Andrea Mitchell is a ninny. It's pretty obnoxious to me how some people try to draw an equivalency between a "negative ad" that is directly related to the issues and is actually true - say, running an ad about McCain sitting there saying he voted with Bush 90% of the time - and a "negative ad" that portrays your opponent as an America-hating socialist that supports terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 wow. Just saw on MSNBC that during an Obama rally, the crowd started to boo McCain and he stopped them. Told them "we don't need that. just vote" Compare that to McCain/Palin which seems to openly endorse booing and hatred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clyons Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 I'm kind of embarassed to admit this--and it wouldn't make a difference in how I voted in the least--but something about Cindy McCain really makes my skin crawl. Maybe I can't get past an unfounded, rich/Barbie-doll/trophy-second wife stereotype, and that's unfair. I wasn't much of a fan of Nancy Reagan or Tipper Gore either, and Michelle Obama's "proud of her country for the first time" remark was classically stupid, but I really can't wait for this woman to go away. Maybe its the way the McCain camp has cast her as a hypocritical, media-attack dog that is unfair. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...ia-viciousness/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjshoe04 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Oct 21, 2008 -> 10:50 AM) I'm kind of embarassed to admit this--and it wouldn't make a difference in how I voted in the least--but something about Cindy McCain really makes my skin crawl. Maybe I can't get past an unfounded, rich/Barbie-doll/trophy-second wife stereotype, and that's unfair. I wasn't much of a fan of Nancy Reagan or Tipper Gore either, and Michelle Obama's "proud of her country for the first time" remark was classically stupid, but I really can't wait for this woman to go away. Maybe its the way the McCain camp has cast her as a hypocritical, media-attack dog that is unfair. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...ia-viciousness/ She terrifies me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 QUOTE (PlaySumFnJurny @ Oct 21, 2008 -> 11:50 AM) I'm kind of embarassed to admit this--and it wouldn't make a difference in how I voted in the least--but something about Cindy McCain really makes my skin crawl. Maybe I can't get past an unfounded, rich/Barbie-doll/trophy-second wife stereotype, and that's unfair. I wasn't much of a fan of Nancy Reagan or Tipper Gore either, and Michelle Obama's "proud of her country for the first time" remark was classically stupid, but I really can't wait for this woman to go away. Maybe its the way the McCain camp has cast her as a hypocritical, media-attack dog that is unfair. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/...ia-viciousness/ So what I gather from your post is you hate women who are with politicians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Warming up a crowd in North Carolina on Saturday, Republican Rep. Robin Hayes offered the diagnosis that “liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God.” His remarks came shortly after he had said he would “make sure we don’t say something stupid, make sure we don’t say something we don’t mean.” Hayes had followed Rep. Patrick McHenry, also a North Carolina Republican, who laid out the choice between McCain and Obama. “It’s like black and white,” yelled someone from the crowd. LINK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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