lostfan Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I thought most of this was already known? Or maybe it just sounds so damn similar to other stuff that came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 02:36 PM) I thought most of this was already known? Or maybe it just sounds so damn similar to other stuff that came out. This is regarding some portion of the program that is still so classified we're only told how they were breaking the law to cover it up, not what exactly they were doing to break the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Evil motherf***ers. Throw them all in Guantanamo!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 03:45 PM) Evil motherf***ers. Throw them all in Guantanamo!!! We don't send murderers to Gitmo. Ergo, all murder is totally ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 The report also says that Bush personally ordered Gonzalez to Ashcroft's bedside to try to get the drugged up out of surgery Attorney General to sign off on his program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 How do people like this make it into office? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/200...ation_ring.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jul 11, 2009 -> 08:47 AM) How do people like this make it into office? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/200...ation_ring.html We've been saying that about President Cheney for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 03:51 PM) Dennis Kucinich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 11, 2009 -> 01:50 PM) I dunno, somehow whenever I watch a clip like that, I don't come out of it thinking that either guy winds up looking all that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2009 -> 04:00 PM) I dunno, somehow whenever I watch a clip like that, I don't come out of it thinking that either guy winds up looking all that good. agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Isn't Kucinich the one who says he saw a UFO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Kucinich has said and done many things, if he's anything he's consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jul 10, 2009 -> 03:51 PM) Dennis Kucinich. I love how the guy got completely showed up, then blamed Dennis for being a bully. Here's an idea, back up your stance with facts. Many of those anti-public health care use skewed or flat out wrong information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2009 -> 04:00 PM) I dunno, somehow whenever I watch a clip like that, I don't come out of it thinking that either guy winds up looking all that good. Well, not that either looks great. It's never good to be seen as a bully. But when you are asked a question, you cant/wont answer it and then are presented fact that completely contradicts your stance/info then I tend to think the one getting schooled looks far worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Kucinich was really being a cock. Granted, he was 100% correct on his actual points, but I didn't think it was particularly necessary to act like he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 12, 2009 -> 12:11 PM) Kucinich was really being a cock. Granted, he was 100% correct on his actual points, but I didn't think it was particularly necessary to act like he did. That's my point. You want to overwhelm a guy with facts, fine, but what you shouldn't do is put him in a position where he can lean back, look cocky, and at the same time have people still come out on his side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Wendell Potter, a former executive for Cigna, sits down with Bill Moyers for his first real public media interview about why he's started speaking out against his former employer and in favor of health care reform. WENDELL POTTER: I was. I went home, to visit relatives. And I picked up the local newspaper and I saw that a health care expedition was being held a few miles up the road, in Wise, Virginia. And I was intrigued. BILL MOYERS: So you drove there? WENDELL POTTER: I did. I borrowed my dad's car and drove up 50 miles up the road to Wise, Virginia. It was being held at a Wise County Fairground. I took my camera. I took some pictures. It was a very cloudy, misty day, it was raining that day, and I walked through the fairground gates. And I didn't know what to expect. I just assumed that it would be, you know, like a health-- booths set up and people just getting their blood pressure checked and things like that. But what I saw were doctors who were set up to provide care in animal stalls. Or they'd erected tents, to care for people. I mean, there was no privacy. In some cases-- and I've got some pictures of people being treated on gurneys, on rain-soaked pavement. And I saw people lined up, standing in line or sitting in these long, long lines, waiting to get care. People drove from South Carolina and Georgia and Kentucky, Tennessee-- all over the region, because they knew that this was being done. A lot of them heard about it from word of mouth. There could have been people and probably were people that I had grown up with. They could have been people who grew up at the house down the road, in the house down the road from me. And that made it real to me. BILL MOYERS: What did you think? WENDELL POTTER: It was absolutely stunning. It was like being hit by lightning. It was almost-- what country am I in? I just it just didn't seem to be a possibility that I was in the United States. It was like a lightning bolt had hit me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 This fantastically incoherent rant has to be read to be believed. http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/vjackson...ss/#more-178482 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 (edited) Remind me not to subscribe to Free Republic's RSS "A typical street whore." "A bunch of ghetto thugs." "Ghetto street trash." "Wonder when she will get her first abortion." These are a small selection of some of the racially-charged comments posted to the conservative 'Free Republic' blog Thursday, aimed at U.S. President Barack Obama's 11-year-old daughter Malia after she was photographed wearing a t-shirt with a peace sign on the front. The thread was accompanied by a photo of Michelle Obama speaking to Malia that featured the caption, "To entertain her daughter, Michelle Obama loves to make monkey sounds." Though this may sound like the sort of thing one might read on an Aryan Nation or white power website, they actually appeared on what is commonly considered one of the prime online locations for U.S. Conservative grassroots political discussion and organizing - and for a short time, the comments seemed to have the okay of site administrators. Moderators of the blog left the comments - and commenters - in place until a complaint was lodged by a writer doing research on the conservative movement, almost a full day later. "Could you imagine what world leaders must be thinking seeing this kind of street trash and that we paid for this kind of street ghetto trash to go over there?" wrote one commenter. "They make me sick .... The whole family... mammy, pappy, the free loadin' mammy-in-law, the misguided chillin', and especially 'lil cuz... This is not the America I want representin' my peeps," wrote another. Such was the onslaught of derision on the site that the person who originally complained about the slurs, a Kristin N., claims only one comment in the first hundred posted actually criticized the remarks as inappropriate. A note on the front of the blog reads, "Free Republic does not advocate or condone racism, violence, rebellion, secession, or an overthrow of the government," but one comment on the thread read, "This disgusting display makes me more and more eager for the revolution," while another read, "I never actually wnated [sic] to be a pistol before but..." After attention from other blogs, the thread was suppressed and placed under review, but before long it was returned to the site intact, and attracted a new series of racial slurs when the original complaint email was posted publicly to the site, with the sender's email address intact. "The writer has a point," wrote site owner Jim Thompson sarcastically. "We should steer clear of Obama's children. They can't help it if their old man is an American-hating Marxist pig." "I agree Jim," wrote commenter, by the nickname NoobRep. "The kids didn't pick their commie pinko pansy of a father. Nor did they choose to be put into the spotlight. But Obama/Soetoro is fair game and so is his witch of a wife." "Poor kids. I hope they're not 'punished with a baby'," wrote another. "Hopefully they won't deal cocaine like the Kenyan." "DIRTBAGS! All of them. Our [White House] is now a joke to the rest of the world. We have no respect and this is not going to turn out well, mark my words. We will be hit, and much worse than last time. We are now seen as weak and vulnerable. Ghetto and Chicago thugs have taken over." Only after significant negative attention from a host of left wing political blogs did the maintainers of the Free Republic site place the thread under review for a second time, before finally pulling it. In the wake of the controversy, some Free Republic posters complained about the vitriol. One poster by the name of "fullchroma" wrote, "To Jim Thompson: The recent uptick here in racist vitriol, aimed at Barrack, Michelle and their children has made me wonder if I belong. My objection to Obama has nothing to do with skin tone. Is the ugly stereotype of Conservative racism true?" Another, going by the name of TChris, wrote, "Free Republic is a political discussion forum. It SHOULD be beneath us as a group to stoop to such juvenile tactics as I see increasing here lately. Do we REALLY have to insult Mrs. Obama's appearance like a clique of nasty 14-year-old girls?" But such opinions were not shared by all. Said Roses of Sharon, "Poor libs .... Too late, the battle has been joined." I guess Obama should just quit if his family is being treated like this. Edited July 13, 2009 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 13, 2009 -> 01:11 PM) I guess Obama should just quit if his family is being treated like this. lol. Zing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 13, 2009 -> 12:09 PM) This fantastically incoherent rant has to be read to be believed. http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/vjackson...ss/#more-178482 lol wut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 This, while disgusting enough, was not written by the MSM but by thread commenters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 You have a point, but I don't think sites like Freep even need the MSM. That's becoming a whole new media form in and of itself. Which I kind of like, and I kind of hate. On the Internet objectivity is completely optional and not everybody has the ability to evaluate sources. So you have groups of people that tend to flock to where they want to go and that's the only place they ever bother to get information from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 my paper keeps having these discussions about the online comments continually being derided by racist and ignorant comments. I just tell them that if they don't want hate-filled, childish, racist commentary in their comment section, they shouldn't have a comment section. The only times it works are in niche sites, usually involved in the technical aspects of something rather than general politics, fueled by emotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 13, 2009 -> 06:45 PM) my paper keeps having these discussions about the online comments continually being derided by racist and ignorant comments. I just tell them that if they don't want hate-filled, childish, racist commentary in their comment section, they shouldn't have a comment section. The only times it works are in niche sites, usually involved in the technical aspects of something rather than general politics, fueled by emotion. You ever read a Yahoo sports blog that has something to do with Obama or Bush and sports, but isn't political? Man it's like people just can't help themselves from mentally taking a s*** in it. There's never any discussion about what the blogger actually wrote, it just turns into political stereotypes of commies and fascists. I try not to read but I'm a little masochistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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