lostfan Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 07:16 PM) Proved 1 thing...they didn't contain the proof Dick Cheney said they contained. I already knew Cheney was talking out of his ass though. That's just a sunk cost whenever his name is brought up, factored into the equation already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 06:16 PM) Proved 1 thing...they didn't contain the proof Dick Cheney said they contained. You're so quick to believe what you want to where any of this stuff is concerned. There's still a lot of junk not released and who the heck knows when it will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 10:03 PM) You're so quick to believe what you want to where any of this stuff is concerned. There's still a lot of junk not released and who the heck knows when it will be. This is why I said the status quo hasn't changed though. The right will say "see!" and the left will say "see!" The document is ambiguous as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 07:03 PM) You're so quick to believe what you want to where any of this stuff is concerned. There's still a lot of junk not released and who the heck knows when it will be. You know why? Read Cheney's statement. He didn't reference anything else secret. He didn't do anything that acknowledge what was actually in those documents. He basically admitted that they didn't show what they said he showed, but then tried to obscure it by putting out a perfectly worded statement. Even he knew that the jig was up. If there was anything else in there that they'd gotten from what they'd done to the U.S., he'd have made another vague reference to it and the media would have went along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:07 PM) You know why? Read Cheney's statement. He didn't reference anything else secret. He didn't do anything that acknowledge what was actually in those documents. He basically admitted that they didn't show what they said he showed, but then tried to obscure it by putting out a perfectly worded statement. Even he knew that the jig was up. If there was anything else in there that they'd gotten from what they'd done to the U.S., he'd have made another vague reference to it and the media would have went along. I tend to think like lostfan here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:11 PM) I tend to think like lostfan here. What, that Cheney is and always has been FOS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 26, 2009 Share Posted August 26, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 09:21 PM) What, that Cheney is and always has been FOS? That the latest release doesn't change anything, and I STILL don't think people know the whole story of anything. It's politicized too badly on both ends. This is the biggest hour glass turd in the last 25 years. Let's keep on stuffing both sides of the hour glass pipe with crap, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 In an interview on NPR this morning, Michael Steele revealed that he does not know what the word "nuanced" means. Also, he talked out of both sides of his ass the entire time. "Government health care is awful! It'll be the death of us all!" "They want to raid Medicare! It's important to have that last line of health coverage for seniors!" "We can't have government interfering with health care!" "Insurance companies need more regulation!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 07:03 AM) In an interview on NPR this morning, Michael Steele revealed that he does not know what the word "nuanced" means. Also, he talked out of both sides of his ass the entire time. "Government health care is awful! It'll be the death of us all!" "They want to raid Medicare! It's important to have that last line of health coverage for seniors!" "We can't have government interfering with health care!" "Insurance companies need more regulation!" Well, to be fair, Obama speaks out of both sides of his ass every time he speaks about it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 08:03 AM) In an interview on NPR this morning, Michael Steele revealed that he does not know what the word "nuanced" means. Also, he talked out of both sides of his ass the entire time. "Government health care is awful! It'll be the death of us all!" "They want to raid Medicare! It's important to have that last line of health coverage for seniors!" "We can't have government interfering with health care!" "Insurance companies need more regulation!" I really think that conservatives as a whole (the everyday rank and file who listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin-listening, Joe the Plumber type people and not necessarily GOP leadership, Steele notwithstanding) don't really know or care about the concept of nuance. They see the world as binary. It's one or the other. Either you support terrorism or you don't. "You're either with us or against us." Logically, if you support terrorism, you need to be arrested/deported/executed/invaded/etc. You're either racist or you're not. The government is bad at everything and the market is always better in every circumstance. People like me are the opposite which is why I run into walls in arguments a lot. I see things in a vacuum and everything as a result of some other circumstance or set of circumstances. Things may be interconnected, or they may not be. To me, falling on "this or that" without knowing all the details is cutting corners. This is why I can tell someone the difference between, say, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and pre-2001 Afghanistan. It also helps avoid making false equivalencies (e.g., Jeremiah Wright and the KKK). Edited August 27, 2009 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 (edited) In the interview, Steele was using both nuanced positions (there's role for goverment regulation) and black-and-white polemics (government suxorz!). Steve Inskeep asked him about the difference and he got offended. "Nuance" is a dirty word in Republican circles, I guess. Maybe Steele genuinely does not know what that word means. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...oryId=112281170 Edited August 27, 2009 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 25, 2009 -> 04:32 PM) Along that line, my mom used to sell Amtrak trips. She had more than a handful of people call in asking for the train to Hawaii. I used to have people call me and ask about cruises to Las Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 You have to wonder if its just phone-trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 11:52 AM) You have to wonder if its just phone-trolling. Nope, just dumb people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 12:11 PM) Nope, just dumb people. You never did answer me about the Vegas cruise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 01:33 PM) You never did answer me about the Vegas cruise Oh sorry, but that was because you wanted a balcony cabin on the Staten Island Ferry instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Is using a minotaur to gore detainees a form of torture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 02:51 PM) Oh sorry, but that was because you wanted a balcony cabin on the Staten Island Ferry instead. That's all right. I got the Amtrak tour to the Bahamas instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 27, 2009 -> 09:31 PM) Is using a minotaur to gore detainees a form of torture? lol, this is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) This is great: Glenn Beck goes on a rant using "hidden words" about Obama and how they all have a deep meaning, then cant figure out how to spell Oligarchy properly... OLIGARHY is not a word! Edited August 28, 2009 by Athomeboy_2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 04:07 PM) This is great: Glenn Beck goes on a rant using "hidden words" about Obama and how they all have a deep meaning, then cant figure out how to spell Oligarchy properly... OLIGARHY is not a word! *YAWN* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Link. Did Democrats contending for serious political positions at the state level keep making jokes about shooting Bush? WTF makes this OK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted August 30, 2009 Share Posted August 30, 2009 (edited) Dick Cheney still bitter that laws exist, blames democrats for it. That's not the actual headline, but it probably should be. Edited August 30, 2009 by whitesoxfan101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 28, 2009 -> 09:07 PM) This is great: Glenn Beck goes on a rant using "hidden words" about Obama and how they all have a deep meaning, then cant figure out how to spell Oligarchy properly... OLIGARHY is not a word! awesome.. beck is such a jag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 he seems manic depressive or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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