The Democrat Thread

[lostfan]

And single-payer is "off the table" because it was effectively torpedoed by conservatives in media long before the debate even started.

[mr_genius]

Funny that you say Bill Clinton Type Democrat, as Clinton is widely recognized as being a Conservative.

 

I wish MSNBC was far left wing as you think they are. If they were, they would be criticizing Obama for abandoning single payer without a thought. As well as increasing military action in Pakistan and Afghanistan, selling out to lobbyists, and ignoring gay rights. Pro-Obama does not mean far radical left wing, seeing as Obama is by all measures a centrist at best.

 

edit: just for an idea of the liberal MSM myth, look at the list of just how much Rupert Murdoch controls.

 

 

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/05/28/mcclellan/

 

I used the example of 'Bill Clinton' Democrats for a reason. The major networks news rooms don't have the same agenda as the fringes of the Democrat party; I wanted to make that clear. But they are pro-Democrat and partisan, that much is very evident. Rupert Murdoch's FOX news is part of the mainstream media, I stated this about 3 posts ago. FOX news is partisan as well, but I doubt I need to convince you of that.

 

[kapkomet]

Funny that you say Bill Clinton Type Democrat, as Clinton is widely recognized as being a Conservative.

What? Yea, maybe compared to Barack Obama/Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid standards, but a "conservative"? That just proves that you have no idea what a "conservative" is.

 

[chunk23]

Would you say a channel with Joe Scarborough, a former GOP congressman, and Pat Buchanan as a nightly contributor are liberal? What about a channel with a primetime host who encourages the Birther movement? (Lou Dobbs)

 

Also, I would say being pro-single payer, anti-militarization, and pro-gay rights are not fringe elements of the liberals. They are central planks of it.

 

As Stephen Colbert would say, reality has a liberal bias.

 

Kapkomet, everyone you just listed, especially Reid, is a centrist. Pelosi is borderline progressive.

 

 

And yes, Bill Clinton is a centrist. Don't look at the (D) next to the name, look at the policies they stand behind.

Edited September 15, 2009 by chunk23

[Balta1701]

Would you say a channel with Joe Scarborough, a former GOP congressman, and Pat Buchanan as a nightly contributor are liberal? What about a channel with a primetime host who encourages the Birther movement? (Lou Dobbs)

Haven't you heard the protesters? Obama's a Nazi, and Pat Buchanan is a Hitler apologist. He's clearly a demycrat. He didn't even like Bush's war!

[kapkomet]

Would you say a channel with Joe Scarborough, a former GOP congressman, and Pat Buchanan as a nightly contributor are liberal? What about a channel with a primetime host who encourages the Birther movement? (Lou Dobbs)

 

Also, I would say being pro-single payer, anti-militarization, and pro-gay rights are not fringe elements of the liberals. They are central planks of it.

 

As Stephen Colbert would say, reality has a liberal bias.

I would say none of these people are "conservative". Especially Buchanan. He's just a mouth piece on MSLSD to say that they have a "right winger" point of view, and he's a nutball jackass who lost his irrelevancy in about 1975.

[lostfan]

Would you say a channel with Joe Scarborough, a former GOP congressman, and Pat Buchanan as a nightly contributor are liberal? What about a channel with a primetime host who encourages the Birther movement? (Lou Dobbs)

 

Also, I would say being pro-single payer, anti-militarization, and pro-gay rights are not fringe elements of the liberals. They are central planks of it.

 

As Stephen Colbert would say, reality has a liberal bias.

You're talking about a global scale, but an American conservative, definitely not. Plus he had a GOP Congress so he governed more conservative than he actually is.

[StrangeSox]

What? Yea, maybe compared to Barack Obama/Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid standards, but a "conservative"? That just proves that you have no idea what a "conservative" is.

 

Bill was a corporate centrist democrat. A centrist democrat in this country is middle-right in most other countries.

 

Just think about this in the context of the health debate. Conservatives are freaking out over a public option. That would be to the right of just about every industrialized country's health care system.

[lostfan]

I would say none of these people are "conservative". Especially Buchanan. He's just a mouth piece on MSLSD to say that they have a "right winger" point of view, and he's a nutball jackass who lost his irrelevancy in about 1975.

So basically you're saying Pat Buchanan matters

 

edit: I don't throw the race card often, but don't forget racist. Buchanan is a blatant, screaming racist wrapped up into some kinda "aw shucks" friendly wingnut image.

Edited September 15, 2009 by lostfan

[StrangeSox]

So basically you're saying Pat Buchanan matters

 

edit: I don't throw the race card often, but don't forget racist. Buchanan is a blatant, screaming racist wrapped up into some kinda "aw shucks" friendly wingnut image.

 

he recently published a Nazi apologist piece.

 

Yeah, I'm sure all those Florida/ NY Jews really meant to vote for him /deadhorse

[chunk23]

I would say none of these people are "conservative". Especially Buchanan. He's just a mouth piece on MSLSD to say that they have a "right winger" point of view, and he's a nutball jackass who lost his irrelevancy in about 1975.

 

 

You might be looking at Buchanan through the scope of a neocon, which he is not. He's your old school run of the mill isolationist conservative.

[StrangeSox]

I wouldn't say buchanan is representatiive of mainstream conservatism or neo-conservatism. He's representative of racist bigots.

[kapkomet]

You might be looking at Buchanan through the scope of a neocon, which he is not. He's your old school run of the mill isolationist conservative.

And he's irrelevant. Next.

[mr_genius]

You might be looking at Buchanan through the scope of a neocon, which he is not. He's your old school run of the mill isolationist conservative.

 

He's just a crazy person who MSNBC puts on as a whipping boy. Using him to prove MSNBC isn't completely biased is a peculiar argument. If anything it is evidence of the opposite.

Edited September 15, 2009 by mr_genius

[lostfan]

I wouldn't say buchanan is representatiive of mainstream conservatism or neo-conservatism. He's representative of racist bigots.

Yeah pretty much.

[Balta1701]

When 5-10 million or so turned out worldwide in 2003 against the Iraq war, it took the NYT 4 days of angry emails before they covered it at all with more than a paragraph. Last weekend's March in Washington was front page news for the NYT, Washington Post, and LAT the next day.

[StrangeSox]

liberal bias!

[lostfan]

NYT is a horrible example, I mean look at their market. But EVERYONE in this country was guilty of beating the war drums hard back then. It was pretty embarrassing. Where I was we had CNN World and BBC World, and they dared to doubt the wisdom of the invasion and everyone was all pissy because they were so "anti-American." They were just saying true stuff we weren't ready to hear at the time.

[chunk23]

I wouldn't say buchanan is representatiive of mainstream conservatism or neo-conservatism. He's representative of racist bigots.

 

I could go the easy route and ask "what's the difference?" but I won't go for the low hanging fruit.

 

However, in today's political climate, a neocon is the mainstream conservatism. However, Buchanan is not a modern conservative. He's a classical conservative (paleoconservative), as evidenced by his isolationist foreign policy.

 

To call the man who is responsible for igniting the Culture War irrelevant is historically ignorant. He has had a major impact on politics over the past almost 40 years.

 

 

Pair that with Morning Joe, hosted by a former GOP congressman, I think it's easy to make the case that MSNBC is not nearly the liberal parallel to Fox News that others make it to be. Yes, it is sympathetic to Obama and more liberal than Fox News and somewhat more so than CNN, but it is at most center-left.

 

 

edit: I was at several of the Iraq protests in Chicago and the streets were lined with riot gear equipped police. Literally lined with the police. Was there an equivalent show of force for the teabaggers? But I agree, the Iraq War is an embarrassment to many journalistic institutions. Not only did they fail to cover the dissenters, they failed to question the evidence used to justify the war (the aluminum tubes for instance).

Edited September 15, 2009 by chunk23

[lostfan]

President Obama calls Kanye West a jackass. lol at the comments from Fox viewers too, along the lines of "finally we agree on something"

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/15...e-west-jackass/

[StrangeSox]

Modern conservatives and neo-conservatives are not one in the same. Neoconservatives don't seem particularly interested in any sort of fiscal conservatism.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

President Obama calls Kanye West a jackass. lol at the comments from Fox viewers too, along the lines of "finally we agree on something"

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/15...e-west-jackass/

 

Good for him.

 

How long before Kanye says that Barack Obama hates black people now???

[NorthSideSox72]

Bill was a corporate centrist democrat. A centrist democrat in this country is middle-right in most other countries.

 

Just think about this in the context of the health debate. Conservatives are freaking out over a public option. That would be to the right of just about every industrialized country's health care system.

Nailed.

 

[HuskyCaucasian]

*face in palms*

 

"Tea Party" leader Mark Williams

 

AC: "you call the President an Indonesian Muslim turned welfare thug and a racist in chief."

Williams: "Yeah, that's the way he's behaving."

 

And Williams says he's not "Fringe"

[bmags]

frankly, he shouldn't be on tv.