The Democrat Thread

[chunk23]

So are you still saying racism plays no part in the protests? or is it I because I used a qualifier I'm just making stuff up?

[southsider2k5]

So are you still saying racism plays no part in the protests? or is it I because I used a qualifier I'm just making stuff up?

 

Just as much as racism played a part in Obama getting elected...

[Balta1701]

Just as much as racism played a part in Obama getting elected...

Do I need to go find the map of the voting pattern through Appalachia and the South again?

[Balta1701]

Too late, already found it.

[southsider2k5]

Do I need to go find the map of the voting pattern through Appalachia and the South again?

 

Do I need to post how many African Americans voted for Obama?

[Balta1701]

Do I need to post how many African Americans voted for Obama?

Only if you want me to point out the rate at which they voted for Kerry.

[chunk23]

Do I need to post how many African Americans voted for Obama?

 

Clinton, Gore and Kerry all received around +90% of the African American vote. Obama received around 95%. Maybe if the GOP would stop demonizing minorities they would receive more support.

[southsider2k5]

Only if you want me to point out the rate at which they voted for Kerry.

 

Or the percentage at which they voted for Obama over Clinton?

[kapkomet]

This is seriously laughable. And somewhat delusional. Again, go on thinking what you want to. "Republicans are racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

And no, no one has directly said that, but look at all the evidence you want to thow out there that they are. Ridiculous.

Edited September 17, 2009 by kapkomet

[Balta1701]

This is seriously laughable. And somewhat delusional. Again, go on thinking what you want to.

I'm pretty sure you're arguing that none of them are.

[kapkomet]

I'm pretty sure you're arguing that none of them are.

Where have I said that?

[Balta1701]

Where have I said that?

I dunno, I'm a bit lost. Anyway, yeah, partial melting.

[lostfan]

Totally uninteresting conversation, this is why I hate when someone brings up race, even if they say something true. It pollutes everything.

[kapkomet]

Totally uninteresting conversation, this is why I hate when someone brings up race, even if they say something true. It pollutes everything.

Which is sort of my point. It's ridiculous to even suggest that opposition = racism. The "out" here is that someone said "partially"... but the insinuation throughout is that "partly" is a pretty strong faction, and that's totally bogus. But if that's true, then the reverse is partially true - Democrats = racist for even bringing up the point in the first place.

[chunk23]

^that doesn't follow logically at all.

 

 

 

RWA does correlate with racial attitudes pretty well though.

Edited September 17, 2009 by chunk23

[kapkomet]

RWA does correlate with racial attitudes pretty well though.

?

[bmags]

Just as much as racism played a part in Obama getting elected...

 

he would have won with or without the small uptick in african american pop. voting.

 

I mean, what I don't get is how you don't see that these dumb f***ing old white tea party protestors making racist signs, but, apparently aren't racist (just don't like demmycrats and deficits, i guess), are resorting to not opposition or pure villification, but rejection of legitimacy. Straight up Hitler signs I get, I mean it doesn't make sense, but hyperbole has always had it's place. Socialist, etc, fair game, whatever.

 

But such a huge portion of this debunking him as our president.

 

And don't equivocate this with 2000. That was the most contested election of our time, decided in a way it's never been decided before. So legitimacy of president makes more sense.

 

But it's that he's not our President, he wasn't born here. He's not one of us, he's a muslim (all americans are christians). He's the anti-christ. What is that rooted in? Partisanship? Because if it's mere ignorance, then, they are adjacent fellows.

 

And further I don't make threads everytime Saxby Chambliss tells that boy obama to be humble before the chamber. So much veiled language from southern republicans telling Obama not to be too uppity.

 

But then you act as if we are calling Mike Pence racist for opposing Obama. We are looking at people doing completely ignorant bulls***, calling them on it, and then we're projecting because WE'RE racist. Right. I hate white people, that's a fact. I'm threatened by white people taking my jobs and moving in next door! I'm scared a white man might become president and give all the white people jobs! Because I'm RACIST

Edited September 17, 2009 by bmags

[Balta1701]

RWA does correlate with racial attitudes pretty well though.

RWA? Romance Writers of America?

[kapkomet]

he would have won with or without the small uptick in african american pop. voting.

 

I mean, what I don't get is how you don't see that these dumb f***ing old white tea party protestors making racist signs, but, apparently aren't racist, just don't like demmycrats are resorting to not opposition or pure villification, but rejection of legitimacy. Straight up Hitler signs I get, I mean it doesn't make sense, but hyperbole has always had it's place. Socialist, etc, fair game, whatever.

 

But such a huge portion of this debunking him as our president.

 

And don't equivocate this with 2000. That was the most contested election of our time, decided in a way it's never been decided before. So legitimacy of president makes more sense.

 

But it's that he's not our President, he wasn't born here. He's not one of us, he's a muslim (all americans are christians). He's the anti-christ. What is that rooted in? Partisanship? Because if it's mere ignorance, then, they are adjacent fellows.

 

And further I don't make threads everytime Saxby Chambliss tells that boy obama to be humble before the chamber. So much veiled language from southern republicans telling Obama not to be too uppity.

 

But then you act as if we are calling Mike Pence racist for opposing Obama. We are looking at people doing completely ignorant bulls***, calling them on it, and then we're projecting because WE'RE racist. Right. I hate white people, that's a fact. I'm threatened by white people taking my jobs and moving in next door! I'm scared a white man might become president and give all the white people jobs! Because I'm RACIST

 

And here you're making the point I'm making, totally in reverse.

 

 

[kapkomet]

RWA? Romance Writers of America?

 

They're so pretty.

[southsider2k5]

he would have won with or without the small uptick in african american pop. voting.

 

I mean, what I don't get is how you don't see that these dumb f***ing old white tea party protestors making racist signs, but, apparently aren't racist (just don't like demmycrats and deficits, i guess), are resorting to not opposition or pure villification, but rejection of legitimacy. Straight up Hitler signs I get, I mean it doesn't make sense, but hyperbole has always had it's place. Socialist, etc, fair game, whatever.

 

But such a huge portion of this debunking him as our president.

 

And don't equivocate this with 2000. That was the most contested election of our time, decided in a way it's never been decided before. So legitimacy of president makes more sense.

 

But it's that he's not our President, he wasn't born here. He's not one of us, he's a muslim (all americans are christians). He's the anti-christ. What is that rooted in? Partisanship? Because if it's mere ignorance, then, they are adjacent fellows.

 

And further I don't make threads everytime Saxby Chambliss tells that boy obama to be humble before the chamber. So much veiled language from southern republicans telling Obama not to be too uppity.

 

But then you act as if we are calling Mike Pence racist for opposing Obama. We are looking at people doing completely ignorant bulls***, calling them on it, and then we're projecting because WE'RE racist. Right. I hate white people, that's a fact. I'm threatened by white people taking my jobs and moving in next door! I'm scared a white man might become president and give all the white people jobs! Because I'm RACIST

 

That's just it, no one said there weren't any racists. There are racists on both sides. That was my point from the first post here. 90% of white people vote for the same person they have always voted for, that's racist. 90% of black people vote for a black person, its fine, because that's the party they have always voted for. Hell more GOPers voted for Obama than the did Clinton, Gore, or Kerry, and now they are racist. That's crap.

 

Besides, remember the Tea Parties had next to no one at them, right? All of the sudden this is the entire Republican Party in the words of some. That is what I get sick of.

 

And 2000 is a great example. Bush had all of those same things said about him, many times by people of the opposite party. He was called Hitler, anti-Christ, murderer, and pretty much everything under the sun. The difference is that back then it was socially accepted, and almost expected.

 

[chunk23]

RWA (right-wing authoritarianism) is a psychological construct used in identifying political leaning.

 

And 2000 is a great example. Bush had all of those same things said about him, many times by people of the opposite party. He was called Hitler, anti-Christ, murderer, and pretty much everything under the sun. The difference is that back then it was socially accepted, and almost expected.

 

 

Were there wildly popular figures in the media claiming Bush is a racist, socialist, fascist, or not an American?

Edited September 17, 2009 by chunk23

[bmags]

That's just it, no one said there weren't any racists. There are racists on both sides. That was my point from the first post here. 90% of white people vote for the same person they have always voted for, that's racist. 90% of black people vote for a black person, its fine, because that's the party they have always voted for. Hell more GOPers voted for Obama than the did Clinton, Gore, or Kerry, and now they are racist. That's crap.

 

Besides, remember the Tea Parties had next to no one at them, right? All of the sudden this is the entire Republican Party in the words of some. That is what I get sick of.

 

And 2000 is a great example. Bush had all of those same things said about him, many times by people of the opposite party. He was called Hitler, anti-Christ, murderer, and pretty much everything under the sun. The difference is that back then it was socially accepted, and almost expected.

 

Did you guys just black out 2000-2008 because it was painful? It was socially accepted? The anti war protests were not covered except as spectacle. The signs depicting bush as hitler were not analyzed on cnn as actual conjecture. You know what he wasn't called? Socialist, Communist, Marxist, too, because the loony left isn't completely retarded.

 

You know why people who take time to view things at a level higher than elementary might think? Maybe blacks voting for democrats isn't so out there racist, because maybe the modern democrats didn't set out a platform in the seventies trying to win over racists and fight tooth and nail against civil rights progress. Is that racist to not embrace a party that within your parents lifetime tried to marginalize you?

 

You guys are great at false equivalency. Here's one for you. The n word = cracker. They are both racial epithets!!!! Why does one have more power if they are both just, at face value, the same thing? Why is that.

[lostfan]

I see at least two false equivalencies a day in this forum. I always wonder, do I want to actually take the time to deconstruct it, or do I dismiss it out of hand.

Edited September 17, 2009 by lostfan

[kapkomet]

Did you guys just black out 2000-2008 because it was painful? It was socially accepted? The anti war protests were not covered except as spectacle. The signs depicting bush as hitler were not analyzed on cnn as actual conjecture. You know what he wasn't called? Socialist, Communist, Marxist, too, because the loony left isn't completely retarded.

 

You know why people who take time to view things at a level higher than elementary might think? Maybe blacks voting for democrats isn't so out there racist, because maybe the modern democrats didn't set out a platform in the seventies trying to win over racists and fight tooth and nail against civil rights progress. Is that racist to not embrace a party that within your parents lifetime tried to marginalize you?

 

You guys are great at false equivalency. Here's one for you. The n word = cracker. They are both racial epithets!!!! Why does one have more power if they are both just, at face value, the same thing? Why is that.

BS. CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, etc. all gave this (and continue to give it) air time. NBC pulled out Jimmy Carter, just in time, to bring this up to overshadow the whole health care thing. GMAFB - they knew what the man was going to say before they dragged his old racist ass out.

 

Furthermore... wow, OMG, they (the MSM) didn't discuss Bush = everything under the sun suckage? Then we get you same people talking about how "Faux News" manipulates? Wow. The point here is they all do it. Yet, YOU guys are the ones that are trying to create an equivlancy that doesn't exist - and that's the whole damn point here that we're trying to say. It gets pointed out and then we're of course wrong. Please. It's right in front of everyone, every single day. It just happens that "my side" or "your side" has to be right in their false equivalancies, and it's just plain dumb.