The Democrat Thread

[HuskyCaucasian]

Who has the "Working Class Whites" problem? It may surprise you:

But even among white workers -- a group of voters that has been targeted by both parties as a key to victory in November -- Obama leads McCain by 10 percentage points, 47 percent to 37 percent, and has the advantage as the more empathetic candidate.

[Steve9347]

Has it occurred to you that when you load up this thread with SOOOOOO much Obama promotional material, you are actually repelling voters from him? People here are actually tiring of Obama all the more because of your posts. What you are doing is counterproductive.

 

How about some discussion? How about some pieces about his policy statements, and how they might help the country?

That's quite the sweeping comment. If his posts deter someone from voting for Obama, that's just hilarious.

[kapkomet]

That's quite the sweeping comment. If his posts deter someone from voting for Obama, that's just hilarious.

It's what he represents, not HIM. There's a lot of people like him out there.

 

[BigSqwert]

It's what he represents, not HIM. There's a lot of people like him out there.

You need to do a better job of identifying your pronouns. Who is "he" and "HIM"?

[kapkomet]

It's what he represents, not HIM. There's a lot of people like him out there.

Translation:

 

It's what Athomeboy represents, not Athomeboy himself. There's a lot of people like Athomeboy out there.

 

Now, if you refer back to Steve's comment... it should make sense.

 

[BigSqwert]

It's what Athomeboy represents, not Athomeboy himself. There's a lot of people like Athomeboy out there.

You can replace Athomeboy's name with a multitude of McCain supporters. Both sides have overzealous fans.

[kapkomet]

You can replace Athomeboy's name with a multitude of McCain supporters. Both sides have overzealous fans.

You're right. But, I don't think you see McCainbots going all over the place being that obnoxious and in your face about it, either, simply because most real GOP people don't really care for the guy.

 

 

[BigSqwert]

You're right. But, I don't think you see McCainbots going all over the place being that obnoxious and in your face about it, either, simply because most real GOP people don't really care for the guy.

True. There have been polls that clearly show an enthusiasm gap between the 2 candidates.

[kapkomet]

True. There have been polls that clearly show an enthusiasm gap between the 2 candidates.

And it's one I understand, even if it's wrong. McCain's pretty eager and rip-roaring-and-ready-to-goooo-ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[lostfan]

You're right. But, I don't think you see McCainbots going all over the place being that obnoxious and in your face about it, either, simply because most real GOP people don't really care for the guy.

True enough but being pro-McCain and anti-Obama are 2 different things and one is not necessarily a prerequisite of the other. It's not necessarily here (although it is to some degree) but in order to see the equivalent anti-Obama fervor you don't even have to look very hard on the internet. Hell, you don't even have to look outside the Democratic party since there are plenty of Hillary supporters still all butt-hurt about her losing and would rather cut off their noses to spite their faces. Although not as many as people expected.

[NorthSideSox72]

That's quite the sweeping comment. If his posts deter someone from voting for Obama, that's just hilarious.

I'm not speaking about myself. But people here have actually posted that they like Obama less because of the fringe, overzealous supporters.

 

[bmags]

I'm not speaking about myself. But people here have actually posted that they like Obama less because of the fringe, overzealous supporters.

 

If someone is willing to change their vote for the most important position in our country because of a poster on a baseball message board...

[kapkomet]

If someone is willing to change their vote for the most important position in our country because of a poster on a baseball message board...

Wow... it's obvious that reading is difficult these days... where in the post of NSS's you quoted does it say "posts on a baseball message board?" It says "fringe, overzealous supporters".

[Balta1701]

Wow... it's obvious that reading is difficult these days... where in the post of NSS's you quoted does it say "posts on a baseball message board?" It says "fringe, overzealous supporters".

They don't get on camera all that often, but I think it's safe to say that GWBush has an enormous number of "Fringe, overzealous supporters", especially within the Christian movements. Just thinking of all the people saying things like "We're so happy that God is back in the White House" (not necessarily calling him Quentin but calling him an agent of Quentin) back in the years he was campaigning. Is it fair to not vote for Mr. Bush based on them, without any regards to how Mr. Bush personally acts or behaves?

 

Conversely, I'm sure Senator McCain has more than a few people who won't vote for a terrorist loving Madrassa visiting Muslim Muslim Muslim terrorist black man. Should we base whether or not we're voting for the Senator based on those folks? (Give you an example. Think back to the West Virginia primary and how Hillary picked up all the supporters from the areas in Appalachia who wouldn't vote for a black man).

[mr_genius]

Well, I suppose someone could worry about whom a candidate feels they owe political capital. I do know that i have been convinced to vote one way or another based on a good argument for a certain side. Of course that might be because I'm a 'stupid idiot', but I like to look at issues from a variety of angles before making a decision. Those good arguments can be lost in a sea of bad ones, therefore missed.

[kapkomet]

They don't get on camera all that often, but I think it's safe to say that GWBush has an enormous number of "Fringe, overzealous supporters", especially within the Christian movements. Just thinking of all the people saying things like "We're so happy that God is back in the White House" (not necessarily calling him Quentin but calling him an agent of Quentin) back in the years he was campaigning. Is it fair to not vote for Mr. Bush based on them, without any regards to how Mr. Bush personally acts or behaves?

 

Conversely, I'm sure Senator McCain has more than a few people who won't vote for a terrorist loving Madrassa visiting Muslim Muslim Muslim terrorist black man. Should we base whether or not we're voting for the Senator based on those folks? (Give you an example. Think back to the West Virginia primary and how Hillary picked up all the supporters from the areas in Appalachia who wouldn't vote for a black man).

I don't know why I laughed at that, but I did. It shows how shallow people are. And the GWB I'm glad God is back in the White House is hilarity too.

[southsider2k5]

If someone is willing to change their vote for the most important position in our country because of a poster on a baseball message board...

 

So how about motivating someone who was probably not going to vote for someone to instead actively work against them?

 

I think it is funny that everyone is all mighty about this, but stop and think of how many people on this very site hate Cubs/Red Sox/Yankees because of their in your face fans. Then take a step back and think about how shallow this country is. Hell people are willing to vote for Obama because he "excites them". It is really so hard to think that others would vote for someone else because this supporters piss them off? Its not a stretch to me. Heck its those same followers that have annoyed me to the point where I was looking for anti-Obama material to post to just balance out the propaganda I was seeing daily. I lost respect for the candidate because of the people supporting him were just too unbearable. Its like a freaking cult. Heck, Ron Paul's followers ought to be taking notes because they are stinking amatuers in this light.

[southsider2k5]

They don't get on camera all that often, but I think it's safe to say that GWBush has an enormous number of "Fringe, overzealous supporters", especially within the Christian movements. Just thinking of all the people saying things like "We're so happy that God is back in the White House" (not necessarily calling him Quentin but calling him an agent of Quentin) back in the years he was campaigning. Is it fair to not vote for Mr. Bush based on them, without any regards to how Mr. Bush personally acts or behaves?

 

Yet how many people voted for someone else for those very reasons? How many people dismissed Ron Paul because of his supporters being nuts. Is it right, not really. It it a fact of life? It sure is.

[bmags]

Yet how many people voted for someone else for those very reasons? How many people dismissed Ron Paul because of his supporters being nuts. Is it right, not really. It it a fact of life? It sure is.

 

His supporters mirrored the candidate.

 

I give plenty of reasons for people to vote for Obama when I work for him, but frankly when I come into the filibuster I come to shoot the s*** on politics with people who are reading about the election as much as I am. Those people probably have their beliefs and knowledge all layed out. How many casual politic followers venture in here? i see the same names every day.

[mr_genius]

His supporters mirrored the candidate.

 

same could be said of Obama, or really any candidate for that matter.

[lostfan]

same could be said of Obama, or really any candidate for that matter.

I can honestly say that I believe a significant number of Paul supporters were pretty far out there. I was initially a Paul fan but the more I started finding out about him, the less I liked... Paul is too radical, borderline nuts because he seems to think this is 1885. His supporters didn't seem to care, they'd just spam various boards with

[mr_genius]

I can honestly say that I believe a significant number of Paul supporters were pretty far out there. I was initially a Paul fan but the more I started finding out about him, the less I liked... Paul is too radical, borderline nuts because he seems to think this is 1885. His supporters didn't seem to care, they'd just spam various boards with

 

True, some Ron Paul supporters are just like the Obama zealots. I really don't see much of a difference. From an outside observer they both seem crazy.

 

There are also sane Obama voters and sane Ron Paul voters, so it goes to show that having crazy supporters can hurt a candidate.

Edited August 5, 2008 by mr_genius

[lostfan]

True, some Ron Paul supporters are just like the Obama zealots. I really don't see much of a difference. From an outside observer they both seem crazy.

 

There are also sane Obama voters and sane Ron Paul voters, so it goes to show that having crazy supporters can hurt a candidate.

Meh, the reason I decided to stop supporting Paul had nothing to do with supporters, it happened after I looked deeper at his policies. Some made perfect sense, many were borderline hysterical disguised under the "preserve the Constitution" banner.

 

I do find it funny that so many anarchist, racist, and right-wing crazy groups are supporting him though... I doubt if that is the group he was going after, but those are his strongest supporters.

[bmags]

same could be said of Obama, or really any candidate for that matter.

 

in a vague sense, but anyone who followed paul somewhat closely understood the truth to the statement. His policies were archaic, something Zachary Taylor would unravel.

[HuskyCaucasian]

I thought this was rather interesting. When they say "unreleased" they mean it was an ad that was rolled out but no press release was sent out nor was it publicized.

 

Greg Sargent posts a second unreleased Obama ad, this one a version of his "Low Road" spot that adds a focus on gas prices.

 

It's worth noting that the candidates are pursuing opposite strategies with their ads. McCain has been releasing his attack ads to the media -- and barely airing some of them. Obama has been airing his harder-edged spots without doing anything to generate stories about them.

 

Which has something to do with another contrast, and a storyline Obama is nurturing: That Obama's staying positive on the air, while McCain alone goes negative. That is mostly true right now, but Obama's never minded hitting, or hitting back, hard.