The Democrat Thread

[Soxy]

Is the "Unbelievable" there sarcastic? Because I don't see what about it is unbelievable.

No, I guess i just hoped we could make it through without wishing death to someone.

 

All I ever get from those guys is tugboats and arson.

[Balta1701]

You are assuming mutual exclusivity. The poll numbers I saw (I'll have to go find it) had Palin's numbers less than all the others in every positive way. She was trounced. Palin may have 30% support, but others had well above that, adding up to more than 100%.

Some interesting reading from Silver...10 reasons why Palin might win the nomination in 2012.

[bmags]

Oh, now I see why the republicans are so flabbergasted obama hasn't yet made a decision that affects American's lives in Afghanistan. All Bush had to do was ask God (or Kristol or Cheney, depending which God he was talking to), Obama is actually going through different options.

[lostfan]

I think he used to want to send troops to Afghanistan, but he's changed his mind over the summer and now his gut tells him it's a waste of time, but he can't figure out how to detach himself from the tar baby.

[HuskyCaucasian]

FWIW, Fox News got caught using file footage and reporting it as a current event. This time it's file footage of a Sarah Palin campaign rally from last year that was reported to be the people gathering for her book signing in Michigan yesterday.

 

You may remember Jon Stewart caught them doing something like this a little over a week ago.

[lostfan]

You have to be kind of stupid to actually not recognize that immediately. Then again...

[mr_genius]

FWIW, Fox News got caught using file footage and reporting it as a current event. This time it's file footage of a Sarah Palin campaign rally from last year that was reported to be the people gathering for her book signing in Michigan yesterday.

 

You may remember Jon Stewart caught them doing something like this a little over a week ago.

 

FOX news is totally pro-Sarah Palin. Advocacy under the rouse of being 'news'.

[lostfan]

Al Franken's books are hilarious.

[lostfan]

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/area_...ate_defender_of

Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be

 

ESCONDIDO, CA—Spurred by an administration he believes to be guilty of numerous transgressions, self-described American patriot Kyle Mortensen, 47, is a vehement defender of ideas he seems to think are enshrined in the U.S. Constitution and principles that brave men have fought and died for solely in his head.

Enlarge Image Kyle Mortensen

 

Kyle Mortensen would gladly give his life to protect what he says is the Constitution's very clear stance against birth control.

 

"Our very way of life is under siege," said Mortensen, whose understanding of the Constitution derives not from a close reading of the document but from talk-show pundits, books by television personalities, and the limitless expanse of his own colorful imagination. "It's time for true Americans to stand up and protect the values that make us who we are."

 

According to Mortensen—an otherwise mild-mannered husband, father, and small-business owner—the most serious threat to his fanciful version of the 222-year-old Constitution is the attempt by far-left "traitors" to strip it of its religious foundation.

 

"Right there in the preamble, the authors make their priorities clear: 'one nation under God,'" said Mortensen, attributing to the Constitution a line from the Pledge of Allegiance, which itself did not include any reference to a deity until 1954. "Well, there's a reason they put that right at the top."

 

"Men like Madison and Jefferson were moved by the ideals of Christianity, and wanted the United States to reflect those values as a Christian nation," continued Mortensen, referring to the "Father of the Constitution," James Madison, considered by many historians to be an atheist, and Thomas Jefferson, an Enlightenment-era thinker who rejected the divinity of Christ and was in France at the time the document was written. "The words on the page speak for themselves."

 

According to sources who have read the nation's charter, the U.S. Constitution and its 27 amendments do not contain the word "God" or "Christ."

 

Mortensen said his admiration for the loose assemblage of vague half-notions he calls the Constitution has only grown over time. He believes that each detail he has pulled from thin air—from prohibitions on sodomy and flag-burning, to mandatory crackdowns on immigrants, to the right of citizens not to have their hard-earned income confiscated in the form of taxes—has contributed to making it the best framework for governance "since the Ten Commandments."

 

"And let's not forget that when the Constitution was ratified it brought freedom to every single American," Mortensen said.

 

Mortensen's passion for safeguarding the elaborate fantasy world in which his conception of the Constitution resides is greatly respected by his likeminded friends and relatives, many of whom have been known to repeat his unfounded assertions verbatim when angered. Still, some friends and family members remain critical.

 

"Dad's great, but listening to all that talk radio has put some weird ideas into his head," said daughter Samantha, a freshman at Reed College in Portland, OR. "He believes the Constitution allows the government to torture people and ban gay marriage, yet he doesn't even know that it guarantees universal health care."

 

Mortensen told reporters that he'll fight until the bitter end for what he roughly supposes the Constitution to be. He acknowledged, however, that it might already be too late to win the battle.

 

"The freedoms our Founding Fathers spilled their blood for are vanishing before our eyes," Mortensen said. "In under a year, a fascist, socialist regime has turned a proud democracy into a totalitarian state that will soon control every facet of American life."

 

"Don't just take my word for it," Mortensen added. "Try reading a newspaper or watching the news sometime."

[Rex Kickass]

From Public Policy Polling

 

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/acorn.html

 

PPP's newest national survey finds that a 52% majority of GOP voters nationally think that ACORN stole the Presidential election for Barack Obama last year, with only 27% granting that he won it legitimately. Clearly the ACORN card really is an effective one to play with the voters who will decide whether Hoffman gets to be the Republican nominee in a possible repeat bid in 2010.

 

Obama won by a wider margin of votes (9.5 million) than in any Presidential election since 1984 when Reagan won by 16.5 million votes.

[NorthSideSox72]

From Public Policy Polling

 

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/acorn.html

 

 

 

Obama won by a wider margin of votes (9.5 million) than in any Presidential election since 1984 when Reagan won by 16.5 million votes.

Again, two kinds of Republicans, as we've been seeing for a while. The crazy wingnuts who would rather base their opinions on emails with subjects beginning with FW: FW: RE: FW: FW:, and the ones who are actually sane.

 

[BigSqwert]

From Public Policy Polling

 

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/acorn.html

 

 

 

Obama won by a wider margin of votes (9.5 million) than in any Presidential election since 1984 when Reagan won by 16.5 million votes.

I firmly believe the movie Idiocracy is a true look into our future.

[NorthSideSox72]

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/area_...ate_defender_of

I was laughing, until I realized there really are people like this. Then I thought about crying.

 

Although, one if this character's assertions is actually accurate, to a degree:

 

the right of citizens not to have their hard-earned income confiscated in the form of taxes

 

Sort of true.

 

Still though, an otherwise awesome, and sad, article from the Onion.

 

[Rex Kickass]

Again, two kinds of Republicans, as we've been seeing for a while. The crazy wingnuts who would rather base their opinions on emails with subjects beginning with FW: FW: RE: FW: FW:, and the ones who are actually sane.

 

I believe most of those people refer to themselves as independents these days.

[DukeNukeEm]

And I'm pretty sure close to that number of Democrats thought Bush didn't legitimately win in 2000. That didn't stop Bush from winning a 2nd term IIRC.

[Rex Kickass]

And I'm pretty sure close to that number of Democrats thought Bush didn't legitimately win in 2000. That didn't stop Bush from winning a 2nd term IIRC.

It's a bit more understandable when the margin of victory was literally less than 600 votes out of 100+million cast.

[Rex Kickass]

I think Daily Kos commissions more polling than anyone else out there. They just polled the FL senate race where Governor Charlie Crist is up against teabagger Marco Rubio. The poll isn't good for Crist, now only leading by 10 points.

 

But this was the result that shocked me the most. They asked people if they thought Barack Obama was born in the US.

 

Of the Republicans who said Yes, only 16% of them were voting for Rubio.

Of the Republicans who said Kenyan, 54% of them were voting for Rubio.

 

Basically, the closer to tin foil you get, the more likely Rubio is going to get your vote.

 

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/...mbshell-results

[DukeNukeEm]

It's a bit more understandable when the margin of victory was literally less than 600 votes out of 100+million cast.

It's kind of irrelevant though now. The real issue is how something like this can affect elections, judging by the past it really wont.

[Rex Kickass]

It's kind of irrelevant though now. The real issue is how something like this can affect elections, judging by the past it really wont.

 

I think it absolutely can swing elections, it moves people away from a party so to speak.

 

The core of the GOP seems to be absolutely toxic these days.

[DukeNukeEm]

I think it absolutely can swing elections, it moves people away from a party so to speak.

 

The core of the GOP seems to be absolutely toxic these days.

Wont really know for sure for another year, if some of these Republicans catering to the Tea Party win elections the base might not be so untouchable.

[Rex Kickass]

Wont really know for sure for another year, if some of these Republicans catering to the Tea Party win elections the base might not be so untouchable.

 

For everyone's sake - I hope I'm right.

[DukeNukeEm]

Yea so do I

[kapkomet]

For everyone's sake - I hope I'm right.

I love how Democrats keep defining what the Republican party should look like and how they keep painting "tea bagger" people as lunatics (i.e. conservatives) who shouldn't be given the time of day. But then again, Reagan was a lunatic as well.

 

My larger point is that there's a lot of Democrats who love the McCain's of the world, and that got Republicans NOTHING.

[Balta1701]

I love how Democrats keep defining what the Republican party should look like and how they keep painting "tea bagger" people as lunatics (i.e. conservatives) who shouldn't be given the time of day. But then again, Reagan was a lunatic as well.

 

My larger point is that there's a lot of Democrats who love the McCain's of the world, and that got Republicans NOTHING.

There's a lot of Republicans who adored the Administration who's name must not be spoken too. And look where that got them.

[NorthSideSox72]

I love how Democrats keep defining what the Republican party should look like and how they keep painting "tea bagger" people as lunatics (i.e. conservatives) who shouldn't be given the time of day. But then again, Reagan was a lunatic as well.

Well, no, I very specifically was segregating the lunatics and blind faithful, from the thinking people. I certainly HOPE that the Republican Party can get back to being a little more sane as a whole, but, right now, their identity is fractured a bit, and that is difficult for a party whose success in recent years has been greatly because of their unity.