kapkomet Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 04:06 PM) Well, no, I very specifically was segregating the lunatics and blind faithful, from the thinking people. I certainly HOPE that the Republican Party can get back to being a little more sane as a whole, but, right now, their identity is fractured a bit, and that is difficult for a party whose success in recent years has been greatly because of their unity. Ok, I agree with that. And Balta, I don't think "independent moderates" are going to vote for Obama again... I'm pretty sure the "are you better off then you were four years ago" will really mean something once again. But the Republicans will need a real conservative, not a moderate, and dismiss the f***ed up crazy lady back to Alaska. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Its interesting to note that the Gallup Daily Tracking Poll is running on average 52% approval 41% disapproval for the President over the past month or so. 47% of the country did not vote for the President in 2008. While 53% did. So since the election... his approval % is -1% his disapproval % is -6% 6% of the people who didn't vote for Obama, don't dis-approve his performance. (that's a triple negative!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 05:17 PM) Ok, I agree with that. And Balta, I don't think "independent moderates" are going to vote for Obama again... I'm pretty sure the "are you better off then you were four years ago" will really mean something once again. But the Republicans will need a real conservative, not a moderate, and dismiss the f***ed up crazy lady back to Alaska. If a Republican is going to win in 2012 it'll be someone we haven't talked about yet. In other words not Giuliani, Palin, Romney, Huckabee, etc. None of those guys would beat Obama. It's still really early in the game, and to be honest it's really annoying that we were already talking about 2012 in December 2008. Obama just got elected a year ago, we're just over 1/4 of the way to the next one... f***ing hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 04:54 PM) If a Republican is going to win in 2012 it'll be someone we haven't talked about yet. In other words not Giuliani, Palin, Romney, Huckabee, etc. None of those guys would beat Obama. It's still really early in the game, and to be honest it's really annoying that we were already talking about 2012 in December 2008. Obama just got elected a year ago, we're just over 1/4 of the way to the next one... f***ing hell. The last cycle started this way too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 04:38 PM) The last cycle started this way too. What, with the Republicans not having an obvious candidate and winding settlign for the least-bad option by default? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 04:54 PM) If a Republican is going to win in 2012 it'll be someone we haven't talked about yet. In other words not Giuliani, Palin, Romney, Huckabee, etc. None of those guys would beat Obama. It's still really early in the game, and to be honest it's really annoying that we were already talking about 2012 in December 2008. Obama just got elected a year ago, we're just over 1/4 of the way to the next one... f***ing hell. Obama has one hell of a bad economic problem on his hands. All these jobs lost are basically gone for good unless moves are made. You could run a my little pony against Obama and win if the U-6 unemployment rate is at 20+% next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 05:58 PM) Obama has one hell of a bad economic problem on his hands. All these jobs lost are basically gone for good unless moves are made. You could run a my little pony against Obama and win if the U-6 unemployment rate is at 20+% next election. Sure looks like you folks are gonna try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 08:11 PM) Sure looks like you folks are gonna try. lol, if the GOP runs Sarah Palin and she wins that would be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 06:27 PM) lol, if the GOP runs Sarah Palin and she wins that would be hilarious. Not quite sure "Hilarious" is the word I'd use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 08:45 PM) Not quite sure "Hilarious" is the word I'd use. well you guys have some time to turn it around. good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 07:00 PM) well you guys have some time to turn it around. good luck. I love this. Step 1: spend 8 years trying to totally destroy the country, barely fail Step 2: Lose 1 election Step 3: Give the party now in charge 4 years to fix the mess you made Step 4: If they don't...challenge them with someone even worse. I could really be convinced that the Republicans are actually working as Iranian spies trying to bring down the country if this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) I love this. Step 1: spend 8 years trying to totally destroy the country, barely fail Step 2: Lose 1 election Step 3: Give the party now in charge 4 years to fix the mess you made Step 4: If they don't...challenge them with someone even worse. I could really be convinced that the Republicans are actually working as Iranian spies trying to bring down the country if this happens. you might want to extend that to 16years. GW and Clinton had the same corporate economic strategy. The situation we are in certainly isn't Obama's fault. But as much as you wish it was, it isn't a GOP only caused problem. You are going to have to face reality here. Bill Clinton was as much to blame as anyone for the banking bailout disaster. lol alan greenspan. Edited November 20, 2009 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 07:10 PM) you might want to extend that to 16years. GW and Clinton had the same corporate economic strategy. The situation we are in certainly isn't Obama's fault. But as much as you wish it was, it isn't a GOP only caused problem. You are going to have to face reality here. Bill Clinton was as much to blame as anyone for the banking bailout disaster. lol alan greenspan. I was trying to find some humor in that, in case you didn't catch on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 09:28 PM) I was trying to find some humor in that, in case you didn't catch on. "....ha..ha" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I have no idea who that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Brooksley Born look it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Something tells me the Palin administration might not even get that quality of advice in the first place. At least the Clintons got it and ignored it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 09:39 PM) Something tells me the Palin administration might not even get that quality of advice in the first place. At least the Clintons got it and ignored it. ah so you are conceding the white house to Palin? For shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I don't remember any faux outrage back then.... "I believe they ought to be tried in courts here in the United States." —George W. Bush on terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo, 6/9/06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 09:39 PM) Something tells me the Palin administration might not even get that quality of advice in the first place. At least the Clintons got it and ignored it. Please do not utter that phrase again, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 09:10 PM) you might want to extend that to 16years. GW and Clinton had the same corporate economic strategy. The situation we are in certainly isn't Obama's fault. But as much as you wish it was, it isn't a GOP only caused problem. You are going to have to face reality here. Bill Clinton was as much to blame as anyone for the banking bailout disaster. lol alan greenspan. Other than the last three words, I agree with this post. As for Greenspan, I think people overplay both his positive and negative influences in the current economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 19, 2009 -> 10:10 PM) you might want to extend that to 16years. GW and Clinton had the same corporate economic strategy. The situation we are in certainly isn't Obama's fault. But as much as you wish it was, it isn't a GOP only caused problem. You are going to have to face reality here. Bill Clinton was as much to blame as anyone for the banking bailout disaster. lol alan greenspan. The leadership strategy reflects American expectations, i.e. more, more, more, more, cheap cheap cheap cheap, must force others to do America's bidding. May as well go all the way back to Reagan where you can see the break start to sharpen. Jimmy Carter, for as weak and ineffective as he was, tried to tell the nation we need to live within our means, nobody wanted to hear it. Reagan told us what we wanted to hear (do what you want, take as much as you want, the bills won't ever come due) and he did 2 terms and was highly popular. A couple of years we'd go from a creditor to a debtor nation and our trade balance would go in the red and never recover. It doesn't matter if a D or a R is in office, they push the same economic strategies with sometimes different styles. Congress is close to useless when it comes to economics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 PRINCETON, NJ -- The latest Gallup Daily tracking results show 49% of Americans approving of the job Barack Obama is doing as president, putting him below the majority approval level for the first time in his presidency. http://www.gallup.com/poll/122627/Obama-Jo...al-Down-49.aspx Uh oh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 yawn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Nov 20, 2009 -> 12:40 PM) http://www.gallup.com/poll/122627/Obama-Jo...al-Down-49.aspx Uh oh What's the purpose of putting this in the Dem thread other than trolling? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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