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Primary Colors II?

 

That would be a treat if a good writer could put that campaign into account. As wearing as it was when it happens, looking back what an absolutely fascinating primary that was.

[HuskyCaucasian]

The McCain campaign is really grasping for straws. the newest hit: Obama is using the working class to score points.

 

The McCain campaign has unveiled a new message today, amplifying their theme about Obama's life being "grand": When Obama talks about job losses, he's just exploiting the working class -- and they've rolled out a working-class supporter to make that very case.

 

On a conference call just now with reporters, held in response to an Obama radio ad in Ohio tying McCain and Rick Davis to local job losses, an area resident who supports McCain lambasted Obama for running the ad.

 

Or as TPM puts it:

Telling people about the workers our campaign manager helped get laid off is unfair to the people who got laid off.

 

UPDATE:

It looks like the Obama campaign is going to hit McCain hard in Ohio on the DHL deal.

Edited August 8, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[HuskyCaucasian]

Be ready for the RNC and John McCain to roll out "obama is an elitist and deosnt care" ads with Obama vacationing in Hawaii.

[Balta1701]

I'll point this out here, rather than in the Georgia thread. John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser, one Randy Scheunemann, was until May working as a registered lobbyists on behalf of the nation of Georgia and according to the USA Today lobbied McCain's senate staff on behalf of that country while working on McCain's Presidential campaign. John McCain took a harder line today on Russia's actions than the President did.

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I'll point this out here, rather than in the Georgia thread. John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser, one Randy Scheunemann, was until May working as a registered lobbyists on behalf of the nation of Georgia and according to the USA Today lobbied McCain's senate staff on behalf of that country while working on McCain's Presidential campaign. John McCain took a harder line today on Russia's actions than the President did.

 

Scheunemann also was one of the main backers of Chalabi.

[Balta1701]

Scheunemann also was one of the main backers of Chalabi.

Preaching to the choir son. Just pointing him out in this case because it's fairly relevant.

[HuskyCaucasian]

I'll point this out here, rather than in the Georgia thread. John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser, one Randy Scheunemann, was until May working as a registered lobbyists on behalf of the nation of Georgia and according to the USA Today lobbied McCain's senate staff on behalf of that country while working on McCain's Presidential campaign. John McCain took a harder line today on Russia's actions than the President did.

Coming to a campaign ad near you soon no doubt.

 

I also love the McCain response: Well... he's not lobbying for them NOW. So, it's all good.

Edited August 9, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[HuskyCaucasian]

Scheunemann also was one of the main backers of Chalabi.

but but but... McCain said lobbyists are evil men trying to corrupt Washington!!

[HuskyCaucasian]

FactCheck.org Rips McCain' Newest ads a New a-hole:

McCain misrepresents Obama's tax proposals again. And again, and again.

 

McCain's new ad touts "renewable energy," but his energy plan offers little to support it.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Have no fear: Presumptive President McCain is sending his own delegation to Georgia to assess the situation.

Sen. McCain has just announced that he's sending his own delegation to Georgia (Sens. Lieberman and Graham) and now he's insisting that it's not a time for politics and partisanship.

 

 

[Balta1701]

The Washington Post today spends a fair amount of time looking at Randy Scheunemann and how he's been using his lobbyist contract with Georgia to make his firm money while working for the McCain Campaign.

Sen. John McCain's top foreign policy adviser prepped his boss for an April 17 phone call with the president of Georgia and then helped the presumptive Republican presidential nominee prepare a strong statement of support for the fledgling republic.

 

The day of the call, a lobbying firm partly owned by the adviser, Randy Scheunemann, signed a $200,000 contract to continue providing strategic advice to the Georgian government in Washington.

 

The McCain campaign said Georgia's lobbying contract with Orion Strategies had no bearing on the candidate's decision to speak with President Mikheil Saakashvili and did not influence his statement. "The Embassy of Georgia requested the call," said campaign spokesman Brian Rogers.

 

But ethics experts have raised concerns about former lobbyists for foreign governments providing advice to presidential candidates about those same countries. "The question is, who is the client? Is the adviser loyal to income from a foreign client, or is he loyal to the candidate he is working for now?" said James Thurber, a lobbying expert at American University. "It's dangerous if you're getting advice from people who are very close to countries on one side or another of a conflict."

 

At the time of McCain's call, Scheunemann had formally ceased his own lobbying work for Georgia, according to federal disclosure reports. But he was still part of Orion Strategies, which had only two lobbyists, himself and Mike Mitchell.

 

Scheunemann remained with the firm for another month, until May 15, when the McCain campaign imposed a tough new anti-lobbyist policy and he was required to separate himself from the company.

[Balta1701]

And away from that issue and on to the more humorous side...Here's a signature worthy quote from Senator McCain today.

In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations

[lostfan]

And away from that issue and on to the more humorous side...Here's a signature worthy quote from Senator McCain today.

lol, was he for real? We've invaded 2 nations in the 21st century. One in retaliation, the other for no reason really.

[Balta1701]

lol, was he for real? We've invaded 2 nations in the 21st century. One in retaliation, the other for no reason really.

:30 video clip at link for context, talking about Georgia. He's being totally serious.

[HuskyCaucasian]

:30 video clip at link for context, talking about Georgia. He's being totally serious.

In what imaginary world does John McCain live in to think we are beyond war? Obviously he's forgotten about Afghanistan and Iraq. Secondly, until the second coming of Christ there will ALWAYS be war and nation against nation. True world peace will NEVER happen.

[HuskyCaucasian]

I love the HuffingtonPost:

 

 

Maybe this is all ado about nothing, but this might be the "mistake" of the election. I've been waiting for a while for McCain to make a "bitter" mistake, and this MAY be it, but only time will tell.

 

It makes for a great "anti-Iraq war" ad:

Voice Over: In 2002, John McCain said we must overthrow Saddam. To this day he says he'd do it all over again. But when it comes to a country for which one of his chief advisers lobbied on behalf off... he has a very different tone: "in the 21st century nations don't invade other nations."

 

Tie Iraq and lobbyist. BRILLIANT!

[NorthSideSox72]

I love the HuffingtonPost:

 

 

Maybe this is all ado about nothing, but this might be the "mistake" of the election. I've been waiting for a while for McCain to make a "bitter" mistake, and this MAY be it, but only time will tell.

 

It makes for a great "anti-Iraq war" ad:

Voice Over: In 2002, John McCain said we must overthrow Saddam. To this day he says he'd do it all over again. But when it comes to a country for which one of his chief advisers lobbied on behalf off... he has a very different tone: "in the 21st century nations don't invade other nations."

 

Tie Iraq and lobbyist. BRILLIANT!

No quote is the "mistake of the election". That's way over the top.

 

However, this is going to make him look pretty bad for some of the middle of the road folks who weren't fond of the war. It will also cause some laughter in the international community.

 

[HuskyCaucasian]

No quote is the "mistake of the election". That's way over the top.

Sorry, I think i miss wrote that. I meant is I think it's HIS mistake of the election. Like the Obama "bitter" comments.

[kapkomet]

I knew someone was going to bring up this comparison sooner rather then later. I think it's totally different, but you libs out there of course will view it one and the same.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

I knew someone was going to bring up this comparison sooner rather then later. I think it's totally different, but you libs out there of course will view it one and the same.

Its always different.

 

 

[kapkomet]

Its always different.

 

Why the green? It is.

 

[Heads22]

So when did liberal turn into a bad word?

[kapkomet]

So when did liberal turn into a bad word?

When "liberal" means "I want a nanny state". That's when. Not all "liberals" do, but a lot of them do.

 

[NorthSideSox72]

So when did liberal turn into a bad word?

1994. Started being a rally cry for the rebuilt, socially focused GOP that had its mini-revolution in '94.

 

But actually, that's been subsiding significantly the last few years. They can thank W for that, in great part. The social conservatives don't have the kind of power they had for that 10 year stretch. Now, conservative is starting to look like a bad word in more circles.

 

[kapkomet]

1994. Started being a rally cry for the rebuilt, socially focused GOP that had its mini-revolution in '94.

 

But actually, that's been subsiding significantly the last few years. They can thank W for that, in great part. The social conservatives don't have the kind of power they had for that 10 year stretch. Now, conservative is starting to look like a bad word in more circles.

The funny thing is (believe it or not) I tend to be more of a "social liberal" or that is to say "libertarian", which all the social conservatives go apepoopoo over. My stance on that is people can do what they want and the government needs to stay out of it. That drives social conservatives batty because they want government to dictate, say marriage, and I think it should be left alone and the states deal with it.