The Democrat Thread

[southsider2k5]

The funny thing is (believe it or not) I tend to be more of a "social liberal" or that is to say "libertarian", which all the social conservatives go apepoopoo over. My stance on that is people can do what they want and the government needs to stay out of it. That drives social conservatives batty because they want government to dictate, say marriage, and I think it should be left alone and the states deal with it.

You have hit me on the head. I don't think the government should be in my wallet or my bedroom.

[lostfan]

You have hit me on the head. I don't think the government should be in my wallet or my bedroom.

Taxes are a necessary evil. The question is "how much" which is where people disagree.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Obama Hits Back At Author of Lie Filled Anti-Obama Book

The Obama campaign has released a 40-page rebuttal to Jerome Corsi's new attack book on the Illinois senator -- "Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality -- which will be No. 1 on the New York Times' best-seller list for non-fiction hardcovers.

 

The Obama camp rebuttal is entitled "Unfit for Publication," a play on Corsi's "Unfit for Command" book that launched the Swift Boat attacks on John Kerry in 2004. And the rebuttal comes as Democrats wondered how aggressively the Obama campaign would respond to the book's charges.

 

"Jerome Corsi is a discredited liar who is peddling another piece of garbage in order to continue the Bush-Cheney politics he helped perpetuate four years ago," said Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor. "His is one of what will likely be many lie-filled books rushed to print this election cycle that are cobbled together from debunked internet sources to make money and advance a partisan agenda. We will forcefully respond to these smears with all means at our disposal."

 

I gotta give credit to the Obama campaign. In the past, people say "they misrepresented the truth" or "htey arent telling the truth". Obama's campaign is flat out calling this guy a liar. And recently they have called McCain's ads lies. Lair sure sounds worse than "misrepresented the truth". Liar sticks with people.

Edited August 14, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[Balta1701]

Obama Hits Back At Author of Lie Filled Anti-Obama Book

 

 

I gotta give credit to the Obama campaign. In the past, people say "they misrepresented the truth" or "htey arent telling the truth". Obama's campaign is flat out calling this guy a liar. And recently they have called McCain's ads lies. Lair sure sounds worse than "misrepresented the truth". Liar sticks with people.

Just remember...every time we see discussion of this guy's book on TV...they're talking about a smear book written by a guy who buys in to the 9/11 conspiracy theories. That's credibility for you. The kind that our media just laps up.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Just remember...every time we see discussion of this guy's book on TV...they're talking about a smear book written by a guy who buys in to the 9/11 conspiracy theories. That's credibility for you. The kind that our media just laps up.

This is great

A Lie from the book:

“The year 1995 was a banner one for Obama. He had just married Michelle and the couple bought a Hyde Park condo, the first home Obama ever owned.”[p 145]

 

Reality:

10/3/92 Obama And Michelle Robinson Were Married. [Chicago Sun-Times, 10/3/07]

1993 Obama Bought a Condo for $277,550. [Chicago Sun-Times, 1/22/06]

 

The guy cant even get a marriage date right. Checking Wikipedia sure would have been easy.

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A Lie From the Book:

“Senator Obama could claim to be a citizen of Kenya, as well as of the United States. Obama can trace his heritage back to his mother, who was born in the United States and was an American citizen when he was born, and to his father, who was born in Kenya and was a Kenyan citizen when Obama was born.” [p 103]

 

REALITY: OBAMA CANNOT CLAIM KENYAN CITIZENSHIP

Kenya Does Not Allow Dual Citizenship Applications for People Over 21 Years of Age. The U.S. Office of Personnel Management writes of Kenya, “DUAL CITIZENSHIP: Not recognized except for persons under 21 years old.” The Kenyan Constitution writes, “A person who, but for the proviso to section 87 (1), would be a citizen of Kenya by virtue of that subsection shall be entitled, upon making application before the specified date in such manner as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament, to be registered as a citizen of Kenya: Provided that a person who has not attained the age of twenty-one years (other than a woman who is or has been married) may not himself make an application under this subsection, but an application may be made on his behalf by his parent or guardian.” [u.S. Office of Personnel Management; Kenyan Constitution]

 

Even if Obama Had Applied for Dual Citizenship Before He Was 21—Which He Did Not—It Would Have Expired. ”A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some other country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya, made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.” [Kenyan Constitution]

[HuskyCaucasian]

For those who are interested, you can download the Obama campaign's 40 page rebuttal to the Corsi book here.

[southsider2k5]

So who is fact checking the fact checkers? I wonder what part of labeling everyone who disagrees with you qualifies as "change".

 

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/pos...zIwZTVmMmRjM2E=

 

It would help Obama's campaign if they, while trying to refute Corsi, did not refer to Bob Beckel as a Republican strategist.

 

Twice.

 

Republican Strategist Bob Beckel Said That He’s Convinced Michelle Obama Meant That She Had Seen People Unify Around The Basic Issues And It Made Her Proud. Republican Strategist Bob Beckel said about Michelle Obama’s comment, “She should not have said it the way she said it, but in fairness to her, she said that she had seen people unify around the basic issues and it made her proud. But she was talking about was the fact that she was proud that people were starting to deal with politics from the top down. I am convinced that she meant it that way.” [Fox News Roundtable, 2/19/08]

 

Beckel's bio:

 

After a political baptism as a college student in Robert Kennedy's 1968 campaign, a tour of duty in the Peace Corps and a successful stint heading up his own consulting firm, Beckel joined the government in 1977.

 

As the deputy assistant secretary of state, he steered the controversial Panama Canal Treaties through Congress. He moved to the Carter White House to head an administration effort to press Congress into passing the Middle East and Salt II treaties.

 

He resumed his career as a political consultant until Walter Mondale asked him to manage his 1984 campaign for the presidency. As national campaign manager, he oversaw the successful race for the Democratic nomination.

 

Attention, Obama campaign: Not everyone who appears on Fox News is a Republican.

 

UPDATE: I'd also be wary of venturing into chickenhawk territory, Team Obama:

 

Corsi Wrote Unfit For Command Although He Was Not a Veteran. “Though not a veteran himself, Corsi co-authored ``Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry.” [boston Herald,

1/25/05]

 

Yes, but the other author, John O'Neill, was, and the book collected dozens of veterans' memories and criticism of Kerry.

 

This isn't to say that Corsi hasn't said some terrible comments in the past, or that his book doesn't have some glaring errors. But it doesn't help your cause when the fact-checking requires fact-checking.

[lostfan]

:yawn:

[bmags]

hello everyone.

[HuskyCaucasian]

McCain really is short minded or just plain stupid. First McCain said Iraq was the first major conflict after 9/11... forgeting about Afghanistan.

 

Now, "My friends, we have reached a crisis, the first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the Cold War. This is an act of aggression."

Let's run-down the list. Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, followed by the US expulsion of Iraq from Kuwait. Collapse of Yugoslavia and subsequent wars of aggression between successor states. US invasion of Afghanistan. US invasion of Iraq. There are a slew of other examples of serious international crises over last 16-18 years.

[kapkomet]

Here, I'll help you.

 

McCain really is short minded or just plain stupid. First McCain said Iraq was the first major conflict after 9/11... forgeting about Afghanistan.

 

Now, "My friends, we have reached a crisis, the first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the Cold War (INVOLVING RUSSIA). This is an act of aggression."

(where's that Calvin whizzing all over your post icon)?

[Balta1701]

Here, I'll help you.

Where did the part in the () come from? Did you add that? Did some reporter add that so that it wouldn't be a flub? Or did the Senator actually say that?

[kapkomet]

Where did the part in the () come from? Did you add that? Did some reporter add that so that it wouldn't be a flub? Or did the Senator actually say that?

I added it to help the nitpicking impaired.

 

Seriously, it's pretty easy to see that's what he meant, and then we get the stupid police out there posting s*** like this.

 

Sorry, didn't mean to imply McCain DIRECTLY said this.

Edited August 15, 2008 by kapkomet

[HuskyCaucasian]

(where's that Calvin whizzing all over your post icon)?

OH! That gives me an idea!!

 

 

[mr_genius]

For those who are interested, you can download the Obama campaign's 40 page rebuttal to the Corsi book here.

 

Hmm, that could be a tactical error. The book will only sell better now and get more media attention (as will the 'issues' contained in the book).

[lostfan]

Hmm, that could be a tactical error. The book will only sell better now and get more media attention (as will the 'issues' contained in the book).

Yeah, but it blew up in Kerry's face when he tried that "let it ride" strategy.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Hmm, that could be a tactical error. The book will only sell better now and get more media attention (as will the 'issues' contained in the book).

I disagree to an extent. This rebuttal is targeted at the media. Basically they are saying, "before you start to say this as fact... here's some real research that proves these facts wrong."

[mr_genius]

I disagree to an extent. This rebuttal is targeted at the media. Basically they are saying, "before you start to say this as fact... here's some real research that proves these facts wrong."

 

but the media is already in Obama's corner, they weren't going to go along with anything in that book and state it as fact. i guess the book being #1 on the NYT's best seller list may have the Obama campaign worried.

[mr_genius]

Yeah, but it blew up in Kerry's face when he tried that "let it ride" strategy.

 

Kerry didn't lose because of a book or even the swift boat adds. it's just an excuse his supporters like to make IMO

[NorthSideSox72]

Kerry didn't lose because of a book or even the swift boat adds. it's just an excuse his supporters like to make IMO

Kerry was a weak candidate who ran a lousy campaign. Swift boat was a factor too, but, he could have gotten past it if he were stronger in other areas, and had handled it differently.

 

[lostfan]

Kerry didn't lose because of a book or even the swift boat adds. it's just an excuse his supporters like to make IMO

NSS just said what I was about to say. He didn't handle the swift boat ads very well which was too bad for him because he already sucked to begin with, and he counted on too many "not Bush" votes.

[kapkomet]

OH! That gives me an idea!!

 

 

Hey, seriously, get me a black and white Obama clip like that. I promise, I'll give equal time. I have a good idea. *snicker*.

[HuskyCaucasian]

 

Hey, seriously, get me a black and white Obama clip like that. I promise, I'll give equal time. I have a good idea. *snicker*.

with or without calvin peeing?

[kapkomet]

with or without calvin peeing?

I guess with since you've got the photoshop skillz going. You'll see where I'm going with this in a bit.

 

[HuskyCaucasian]

I guess with since you've got the photoshop skillz going. You'll see where I'm going with this in a bit.