The Democrat Thread

[kapkomet]

Dude. Do you see how much profanity I use on Facebook? Like I care what you write there. lol.

 

I know you don't but people who read my crap might.

 

On here, it's more private.

 

I was going to say it's like the difference between masturbating and the real thing. It just ain't the same.

 

Oh what an analogy to new car air freshners to the smell of a real new car.

 

But I wussed out.

 

/back to hippe stuff

[BigSqwert]

I've always wondered how a gay person could be a Republican.

 

Man Who Managed The Most Anti-Gay Presidential Campaign In Modern History Comes Out

Edited August 26, 2010 by BigSqwert

[FlaSoxxJim]

I've always wondered how a gay person could be a Republican.

 

Man Who Managed The Most Anti-Gay Presidential Campaign In Modern History Comes Out

 

Sounds like Mehlman really does regret not having been able to come to terms with himself 20 years earlier. Not that I dislike him any less now.

 

And you're right — you'd have to be packed full of a lifetime of self-loathing to be a gay member of the party that uses the "abomination" of the gay individual to whip up a foaming-at-the-mouth party frenzy every time they need to get the radical right "moral voters" to the polls.

[NorthSideSox72]

I've always wondered how a gay person could be a Republican.

 

Man Who Managed The Most Anti-Gay Presidential Campaign In Modern History Comes Out

Let me as you something. Do you agree with every single thing the Dems stand for? For that matter, does anyone agree with every single thing that the party they usually vote for stands for? Do politicians in those parties even agree 100% of the time?

 

If his beliefs align with the GOP on 95% of things, then he's probably going to be a Republican, even though the Republican party has been so s***ty towards gay people.

 

[CrimsonWeltall]

Economist poll on Islamic community center

 

Lowlights:

- Only 50% think they have a Constitutional right to build it

- 19% want to amend the Constitution just to prevent them from building it

[NorthSideSox72]

Economist poll on Islamic community center

 

Lowlights:

- Only 50% think they have a Constitutional right to build it

- 19% want to amend the Constitution just to prevent them from building it

You have got to be kidding me. That's just flat out embarrassing.

 

[BigSqwert]

Let me as you something. Do you agree with every single thing the Dems stand for? For that matter, does anyone agree with every single thing that the party they usually vote for stands for? Do politicians in those parties even agree 100% of the time?

 

If his beliefs align with the GOP on 95% of things, then he's probably going to be a Republican, even though the Republican party has been so s***ty towards gay people.

No I don't agree with the Dems on a whole set of issues but if they looked at me as some type of second class citizen and wanted rights taken away from me or make it impossible for me to live as an equal human being then I'd tell them to f*** off.

[Balta1701]

No I don't agree with the Dems on a whole set of issues but if they looked at me as some type of second class citizen and wanted rights taken away from me or make it impossible for me to live as an equal human being then I'd tell them to f*** off.

There's also a difference between voting for a candidate actively running on a gay-bashing platform and being one of the architects of that gay-bashing platform.

 

I think homosexuals have a right to be furious at that man. I also think he deserves some level of sympathy in addition to the well deserved criticism...because he's very likely a guy who simply couldn't come to terms with who he was, and the rest of society plays a big role in that.

[StrangeSox]

You have got to be kidding me. That's just flat out embarrassing.

 

Poll after poll after poll, the "almost-inspiringly stupid" response gets about 20%. Obama's a Kenyan Muslim. Civilian control of the military is bad. Amend the constitution to remove religious freedom.

 

Those three example categories probably happen overlap a lot, but there's a lot of stupid people out there.

 

edit: also wonder how much Dunning-Kruger is in play here:

 

Edited August 26, 2010 by StrangeSox

[Steve9347]

US Constitutional Ammerndment #18

 

No mosques within 2, oh what the hell, we'll be generous, 4 blocks of ground zero. Throw some verbiage about Burlington Coat Factory in there as well. Yeah, that makes tons of sense.

 

Merika!

 

Japan should probably remove the McDonald's that is 0.9 miles from Hiroshima Peace Park, too.

Edited August 26, 2010 by Steve9347

[Balta1701]

By the way, wanted to post this when other conversations died out. This guy is the Republican Chair of Mr. Obama's long-term debt commission. He's offered up some other ranting emails at other people who dared criticize his opinions about Social Security, but this one was the worst.

In a letter responding to criticisms against him from a group representing older women, former Wyoming Sen. Alan Simpson wrote that he has "spent many years in public life trying to stabilize" Social Security. However, he wrote, "Yes, I've made some plenty smart cracks about people on Social Security who milk it to the last degree. You know 'em too. It's the same with any system in America. We've reached a point now where it's like a milk cow with 310 million tits!"

Mr. Krugman replies:

I’ve also had my eye on Alan Simpson, the supposedly grown-up Republican co-chair, who has been talking nonsense about Social Security from the get-go.

 

At this point, though, Obama is on the spot: he has to fire Simpson, or turn the whole thing into a combination of farce and tragedy — the farce being the nature of the co-chair, the tragedy being that Democrats are so afraid of Republicans that nothing, absolutely nothing, will get them sanctioned.

 

When you have a commission dedicated to the common good, and the co-chair dismisses Social Security as a “milk cow with 310 million tits,” you either have to get rid of him or admit that you’re completely, um, cowed by the right wing, that IOKIYAR rules completely.

 

And no, an apology won’t suffice. Simpson was completely in character here; it was perfectly consistent with everything else he’s said, and with his previous behavior. He has to go.

The White House, of course, accepted his apology...despite the fact that he didn't apologize to the white house, and didn't really apologize anyway (he did the ol' I apologize if you were offended).

[NorthSideSox72]

By the way, wanted to post this when other conversations died out. This guy is the Republican Chair of Mr. Obama's long-term debt commission. He's offered up some other ranting emails at other people who dared criticize his opinions about Social Security, but this one was the worst.

 

Mr. Krugman replies:

The White House, of course, accepted his apology...despite the fact that he didn't apologize to the white house, and didn't really apologize anyway (he did the ol' I apologize if you were offended).

Regardless of his view of reality, which may be somewhat accurate, someone in his position should absolutely not be firing off letters like that.

 

[southsider2k5]

By the way, wanted to post this when other conversations died out. This guy is the Republican Chair of Mr. Obama's long-term debt commission. He's offered up some other ranting emails at other people who dared criticize his opinions about Social Security, but this one was the worst.

 

Mr. Krugman replies:

The White House, of course, accepted his apology...despite the fact that he didn't apologize to the white house, and didn't really apologize anyway (he did the ol' I apologize if you were offended).

 

I'm not quite sure why he is apologizing for it honestly. It is crazy that we have gotten to the point with social security that you can't talk about the program, at all, in a negative light without people going ballistic. Its like trying to have an intelligent conversation about race in this country.

[Balta1701]

I'm not quite sure why he is apologizing for it honestly. It is crazy that we have gotten to the point with social security that you can't talk about the program, at all, in a negative light without people going ballistic. Its like trying to have an intelligent conversation about race in this country.

A milk cow with 310 million tits = intelligent conversation?

[southsider2k5]

A milk cow with 310 million tits = intelligent conversation?

 

That is the product of all of the ridiculous left wing hyperbole anytime fixing social security is mentioned in anyway that doesn't include tax increases.

[NorthSideSox72]

I'm not quite sure why he is apologizing for it honestly. It is crazy that we have gotten to the point with social security that you can't talk about the program, at all, in a negative light without people going ballistic. Its like trying to have an intelligent conversation about race in this country.

Oh come on, you really think its appropriate for a government official to be writing letters to constituents with that tone and that language?

 

[southsider2k5]

Oh come on, you really think its appropriate for a government official to be writing letters to constituents with that tone and that language?

 

So when is Joe Biden stepping down?

 

 

[Balta1701]

That is the product of all of the ridiculous left wing hyperbole anytime fixing social security is mentioned in anyway that doesn't include tax increases.

Can you give a counter-example of the same intellectual heft?

[NorthSideSox72]

So when is Joe Biden stepping down?

Eh? When have you ever seen me defend Joe Biden? And there is in fact a difference between an elected official and a hired official. Can't really just fire an elected official.

 

 

[Rex Kickass]

Let me as you something. Do you agree with every single thing the Dems stand for? For that matter, does anyone agree with every single thing that the party they usually vote for stands for? Do politicians in those parties even agree 100% of the time?

 

If his beliefs align with the GOP on 95% of things, then he's probably going to be a Republican, even though the Republican party has been so s***ty towards gay people.

 

The worst part about Ken Mehlman is that he was one of the architects of the 2004 campaign which centered on fear of terror, and in some states, fear of gay marriage.

 

Honestly, a gay person who is a Republican doesn't make sense to me. Independent? Sure. Democrat? Sure. But I fail to see any reason why a member of the GLBTI community would support a party which has fundamentally opposed equal rights for their community consistently over the last ten years. And continues to do so. It, frankly, blows me away that people could be so blind to their own interests.

[NorthSideSox72]

The worst part about Ken Mehlman is that he was one of the architects of the 2004 campaign which centered on fear of terror, and in some states, fear of gay marriage.

 

Honestly, a gay person who is a Republican doesn't make sense to me. Independent? Sure. Democrat? Sure. But I fail to see any reason why a member of the GLBTI community would support a party which has fundamentally opposed equal rights for their community consistently over the last ten years. And continues to do so. It, frankly, blows me away that people could be so blind to their own interests.

To be clear, I am not defending this particular guy, or saying I'd do this. Just saying that no decision to be part of any political party requires that you agree with every single tenet they have.

 

What % of Catholics do you think agree with, and follow to the letter, every element of the dogma?

 

[Balta1701]

To be clear, I am not defending this particular guy, or saying I'd do this. Just saying that no decision to be part of any political party requires that you agree with every single tenet they have.

 

What % of Catholics do you think agree with, and follow to the letter, every element of the dogma?

The question isn't whether you agree with it or not...the question is whether you're willing to accept a belief system that personally demonizes you as the other, the enemy, the threat to their children.

 

Disagreements on tax policy seem to pale in comparison to "we need to protect our children from you".

[StrangeSox]

Right, this isn't just a policy disagreement.

[Rex Kickass]

To be clear, I am not defending this particular guy, or saying I'd do this. Just saying that no decision to be part of any political party requires that you agree with every single tenet they have.

 

What % of Catholics do you think agree with, and follow to the letter, every element of the dogma?

 

How could you possibly justify saying I'm a member of XYZ Party if one of the central election themes of their party was "the XYZ party doesnt think you should have a right to marry or to be hired purely based on your merits?"

 

This isn't about dogma. This is about belonging to a party that at its core centers a part of its election strategy on demonizing and attacking the rights of a community. There are plenty of people that don't have that problem - but gay people and the GOP do.

[Jenksismyhero]

How could you possibly justify saying I'm a member of XYZ Party if one of the central election themes of their party was "the XYZ party doesnt think you should have a right to marry or to be hired purely based on your merits?"

 

This isn't about dogma. This is about belonging to a party that at its core centers a part of its election strategy on demonizing and attacking the rights of a community. There are plenty of people that don't have that problem - but gay people and the GOP do.

 

Much like your view of the tea party, this is all just so wrong. A core of the election strategy? Really? First, it's not a 100% republican only issue. And second, it still only involves a minority of the party, not the majority. It might grab more headlines than others, but that doesn't make it a "core" to the conservative belief.