The Democrat Thread

[lostfan]

GOP plans wave of White House probes

I actually don't have a problem with this in principle, the exec branch needs oversight in a bad way. But it's just that the GOP tends to blow up trivial bulls*** and turn it into a national issue and it wastes a lot of time and taxpayer dollars. Save the investigations for something that actually matters, not witch hunting.

[Balta1701]

If you can point to one thing as the linchpin that got Prop 8 passed, that's probably it.

Disagree. They may have played a part in it...but the "The gays are coming for your kids!" ad campaign was what really turned things.

[lostfan]

Disagree. They may have played a part in it...but the "The gays are coming for your kids!" ad campaign was what really turned things.

Any other election where there wasn't such a huge black turnout and that campaign might not have been enough.

[southsider2k5]

Black voters tend to be hardcore liberals but don't support gay rights for some reason and they turned out in huge numbers in 2008. If you can point to one thing as the linchpin that got Prop 8 passed, that's probably it.

 

The Mexican Catholics were the other big breakout group that crossed over.

[Balta1701]

Any other election where there wasn't such a huge black turnout and that campaign might not have been enough.

Reports of overwhelming African American support for Proposition 8's ban on same-sex marriage were exaggerated in exit polls, a new look at the November election results has found.

 

"Party identification, age, religiosity and political view had much bigger effects than race, gender or having gay and lesbian family and friends," said Patrick Egan of New York University, who wrote the report with Kenneth Sherrill of Hunter College of New York for the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.

 

Exit polls found that 70 percent of black voters backed Prop. 8 on Nov. 4, even as they overwhelmingly supported Democratic Sen. Barack Obama, who opposed the same-sex marriage ban.

 

But an analysis of precinct-level voting data on Prop. 8 from Alameda, Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Diego and San Francisco counties, which are home to nearly two-thirds of California's black voters, suggested that African American support for Prop. 8 was more likely about 58 percent.

 

That support among blacks is still well above the 52 percent Prop. 8 received from all voters in the Nov. 4 election. Much of that can be attributed to the strong religious tradition in the black community, where 57 percent of African American voters attend church at least once a week, compared with 42 percent of Californians overall.

 

"The study debunks the myth that African Americans overwhelmingly and disproportionately supported Proposition 8," Andrea Shorter, director of And Marriage for All, said in a statement. "But we clearly have work to do with, within and for African American communities, particularly the black church."

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[lostfan]

I guess I stand partially corrected, but still the extra turnout hurt and didn't help.

[Balta1701]

guess I stand partially corrected, but still the extra turnout hurt and didn't help.

Very true, and in any legitimately close race you can point to a thousand things and say "change that detail and it goes the other way". But look...this thing went from being down 20 to being up 5 in the space of literally 2 weeks, and those 2 weeks just happened to coincide with the massive Mormon ad buy with the "The Gays are coming after your children!!!" ad.

 

Edit: man, the Pollster embed code totally screws with this board. Here's a link.

 

You don't get more blatant than that. That's a >20 point swing from 1, hate filled ad.

[mr_genius]

You don't get more blatant than that. That's a >20 point swing from 1, hate filled ad.

 

Damn you tea party !!!

 

 

[Balta1701]

I feel that the quote in Lostfan's sig is the only appropriate response to that detailed argument.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Great Tweet: "If Glenn Beck really was about restoring honor maybe he should tell the people in the crowd to stop handing out pictures of Obama=Hitler"

[HuskyCaucasian]

I feel that the quote in Lostfan's sig is the only appropriate response to that detailed argument.

One of my favorite movie quotes of all time.

[Balta1701]

Great Tweet: "If Glenn Beck really was about restoring honor maybe he should tell the people in the crowd to stop handing out pictures of Obama=Hitler"

Bah, there's a nearly infinite number of possible amusing tweets that could be written today. It's really not worth your time.

[Jenksismyhero]

Yep, keep hating and ignore what 99.9% of that rally was about. Pretty impressive that there were 3-4 hours of speeches and not one mention of Obama.

[GoSox05]

Yep, keep hating and ignore what 99.9% of that rally was about. Pretty impressive that there were 3-4 hours of speeches and not one mention of Obama.

 

 

What was 99.9% of this rally about?

[Balta1701]

What was 99.9% of this rally about?

How great Glenn Beck is.

[Balta1701]

There was a fire at the construction site of the proposed Mosque in TN earlier this weekend. It has been ruled arson.

[Balta1701]

Following on the discussion we had in the Republican thread, Frank Rich has an NYT column on the big money behind the Tea Party. I like the Soros part...since that's exactly the tack they took over in that thread.

Many of them tried to change the subject to George Soros, the billionaire backer of liberal causes. But Soros is a publicity hound who is transparent about where he shovels his money. And like many liberals — selflessly or foolishly, depending on your point of view — he supports causes that are unrelated to his business interests and that, if anything, raise his taxes.

 

This is hardly true of the Kochs. When David Koch ran to the right of Reagan as vice president on the 1980 Libertarian ticket (it polled 1 percent), his campaign called for the abolition not just of Social Security, federal regulatory agencies and welfare but also of the F.B.I., the C.I.A., and public schools — in other words, any government enterprise that would either inhibit his business profits or increase his taxes. He hasn’t changed. As Mayer details, Koch-supported lobbyists, foundations and political operatives are at the center of climate-science denial — a cause that forestalls threats to Koch Industries’ vast fossil fuel business. While Koch foundations donate to cancer hospitals like Memorial Sloan-Kettering in New York, Koch Industries has been lobbying to stop the Environmental Protection Agency from classifying another product important to its bottom line, formaldehyde, as a “known carcinogen” in humans (which it is).

[Balta1701]

OH COME ON.

[kapkomet]

What was 99.9% of this rally about?

 

Obviously that tea party members are racist, homophobic, to the right of right assholes.

[bigruss]

Obviously that tea party members are racist, homophobic, to the right of right assholes.

Kap, these types of posts really just are flat out annoying and frustrating. Why dont you ever honestly answer people with genuine questions anymore? Or if you dont believe they are genuine, why do you stoop down to that level?

 

Seriously, I would love to hear your reasoning on many of your beliefs, because not only do I think they would be great discussion but also would help people understand another side they may not be used to.

 

I honestly would love it if you would respond with something more than some lameass one liner, and hear some actual debate, and that goes to anyone on this board. Lets actually hear some reason and enough of these stereotypical, generalizing one liners.

[bmags]

Kap, these types of posts really just are flat out annoying and frustrating. Why dont you ever honestly answer people with genuine questions anymore? Or if you dont believe they are genuine, why do you stoop down to that level?

 

Seriously, I would love to hear your reasoning on many of your beliefs, because not only do I think they would be great discussion but also would help people understand another side they may not be used to.

 

I honestly would love it if you would respond with something more than some lameass one liner, and hear some actual debate, and that goes to anyone on this board. Lets actually hear some reason and enough of these stereotypical, generalizing one liners.

 

to be fair, when he does it isn't much better. Remember the NYC Mosque conspirac post about kickbacks from mayor bloomberg?

[bigruss]

to be fair, when he does it isn't much better. Remember the NYC Mosque conspirac post about kickbacks from mayor bloomberg?

I remember asking what he actually thought the problem was and he didn't respond except with silly one liners to other posters. If I missed his "point" than I apologize but I haven't seen a legit answer from him in awhil (I try to read as much as possible on here because I find it interesting but I don't always post). I just feel that lately the discussion has gone to someone posting an article or response to something and then another poster just says "dMn commies" or "damn those tea partiers" and nothing is really discussed.

 

I don't care if you post something sarcastic but have some substance after that.

[BigSqwert]

I remember asking what he actually thought the problem was and he didn't respond except with silly one liners to other posters. If I missed his "point" than I apologize but I haven't seen a legit answer from him in awhil (I try to read as much as possible on here because I find it interesting but I don't always post). I just feel that lately the discussion has gone to someone posting an article or response to something and then another poster just says "dMn commies" or "damn those tea partiers" and nothing is really discussed.

 

I don't care if you post something sarcastic but have some substance after that.

Blame the lazy moderator of this forum.

[Balta1701]

By the way, on a slightly different subject...I absolutely have to praise CBS for doing this. Every time there's a rally in DC, now that the park service stopped doing estimates because they're controversial, we hear estimates that range by an order of magnitude. CBS did the Beck rally scientifically. They hired a satellite image company, took pictures of the actual size of the crowd, calculated the density of people, and came up with a number that is probably accurate to within 10%.

 

The organizers are still pushing higher estimates...but I seriously hope this happens every time there's a rally or event on the National Mall. That'd be so bloody useful.

[lostfan]

Blame the lazy moderator of this forum.

kap is going to be kap. I mean, I or anyone else can't really make him stop from making s***ty posts.