StrangeSox Posted December 1, 2010 Share Posted December 1, 2010 Civil Unions clear Illinois legislature Illinois' state Senate approved legislation Wednesday that will give same-sex couples many of the same rights as married couples. The Illinois Religious Freedom Protection and Civil Union Act defines "civil union" as a legal relationship between two people of either the same or opposite sex. Step in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 1, 2010 -> 05:35 PM) The driving point was the 'property rights' bulls***. At least he acknowledged that the Founding Fathers' original vision wasn't perfect. That s*** drives me nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Dec 1, 2010 -> 03:45 PM) What the Founders Wanted! :facepalm: His plan makes perfect sense. However, stipulations had to be made on what exactly constituted owning land; can't just have people buying a few feet and voting. Unfortunately, the estimated value of Mr.Judson Phillips' estate didn't qualify to our high standards and he will not be voting either. Just like George Washington would have wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 If the Senate spent every moment of its next 2 terms (aka through Jan 2015) confirming currently nominated individuals, it still wouldn't confirm them all, now that the "every nominee must be discussed for 30 hours" standard is being used as a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 08:50 AM) If the Senate spent every moment of its next 2 terms (aka through Jan 2015) confirming currently nominated individuals, it still wouldn't confirm them all, now that the "every nominee must be discussed for 30 hours" standard is being used as a weapon. Republicans like to show that government doesn't work by actively breaking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 08:50 AM) If the Senate spent every moment of its next 2 terms (aka through Jan 2015) confirming currently nominated individuals, it still wouldn't confirm them all, now that the "every nominee must be discussed for 30 hours" standard is being used as a weapon. My favorite part of that is the Senate having as many work days in 4 years as normal people have in about 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted December 2, 2010 Author Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 10:52 AM) My favorite part of that is the Senate having as many work days in 4 years as normal people have in about 2. The term "work day" is a bit misleading. Like other directly elected representatives, they are expected to spend a considerable amount of time in the state where they were elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Can McCain be a bigger douche in these DADT hearings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 It's good, simple, bar graph day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted December 2, 2010 Author Share Posted December 2, 2010 Pelosi forced a vote on extending middle class tax cuts, and decoupled tax cuts for people making over 250k. It passed, with only 3 GOP votes saying yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 03:10 PM) Pelosi forced a vote on extending middle class tax cuts, and decoupled tax cuts for people making over 250k. It passed, with only 3 GOP votes saying yes. I guess the GOP hates the middle class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 04:10 PM) Pelosi forced a vote on extending middle class tax cuts, and decoupled tax cuts for people making over 250k. It passed, with only 3 GOP votes saying yes. Wait it passed? I thought they were going to have to run that as a suspension vote, so that they required 67%. I have no idea how she pulled that rabbit out of her hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted December 2, 2010 Author Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 04:10 PM) I guess the GOP hates the middle class. If they could have had this vote in September, I think they might have been able to save the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Pelosi even threw out some West Coast gang signs afterward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 “I’m trying to catch my breath so I don’t refer to this maneuver going on today as chicken crap, all right?” Frankly, he's probably got a point...this bill is likely DOA in the Senate, and it's probably the exact opposite of what the President told him 2 days ago. Chicken crap...though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 Seems meaningless to me still. The Senate won't agree, and they'll eventually vote for a bill in the Senate that extends tax cut for the richest for at least one more year. After which this whole thing will come up again, when Democrats have even less power and the tax cut for the richest will be extended again. Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 05:52 PM) Seems meaningless to me still. The Senate won't agree, and they'll eventually vote for a bill in the Senate that extends tax cut for the richest for at least one more year. After which this whole thing will come up again, when Democrats have even less power and the tax cut for the richest will be extended again. Am I wrong? They might be able to get a deal where START gets through the Senate, and possibly an unemployment benefits extension, in exchange for the tax cuts. One can hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 04:57 PM) They might be able to get a deal where START gets through the Senate, and possibly an unemployment benefits extension, in exchange for the tax cuts. One can hope. Okay but how does that help address deficit crisis in any way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (KipWellsFan @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 06:04 PM) Okay but how does that help address deficit crisis in any way? There is no deficit crisis. There is a long term health care costs crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted December 2, 2010 Author Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 05:35 PM) Frankly, he's probably got a point...this bill is likely DOA in the Senate, and it's probably the exact opposite of what the President told him 2 days ago. Chicken crap...though... Word is Reid is planning on forcing a Cloture vote. With a second package on the table to extend tax cuts for non millionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted December 2, 2010 Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 06:15 PM) Word is Reid is planning on forcing a Cloture vote. With a second package on the table to extend tax cuts for non millionaires. They'll strike a deal before it ever gets that far. The Senate has other things on its list to get done first. And Reid probably isn't confident that the 2nd package wouldn't win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted December 2, 2010 Author Share Posted December 2, 2010 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 06:25 PM) They'll strike a deal before it ever gets that far. The Senate has other things on its list to get done first. And Reid probably isn't confident that the 2nd package wouldn't win. You could be right, and that's sad. But he should force cloture anyway. Let the Republicans go on record and oppose tax cuts for those making under 250k. Let them hold START hostage to give millionaires another 100 grand. It's just too bad that Democrats are too busy standing in their own way to let the country know that's whats happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 The message here is quite funny. WHO's RAISING TAXES? After promising he wouldn't on the middle class? Oh, this just can't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 (edited) I really wouldn't give a s*** if he just called the Republicans' bluff and let them allow the train to crash and everybody's taxes go up. The tax cuts weren't a good idea in the first place. No civilization in history has ever cut taxes before going to war. Edited December 3, 2010 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 2, 2010 -> 08:09 PM) I really wouldn't give a s*** if he just called the Republicans' bluff and let them allow the train to crash and everybody's taxes go up. The tax cuts weren't a good idea in the first place. No civilization in history has ever cut taxes before going to war. The problem is that HIS CRONIES are still in charge and won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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