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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 01:04 PM)
Maybe it started ok, but the problem is the various networks have become entertainment networks, not news networks. They're basically 24/7 now, which means they have a ton of time to fill, and they normally fill it by having worthless debate about worthless topics that are clearly geared towards their selective audiences.

This is one issue that I don't think anyone will debate.

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Rand Paul:

 

Imagine this—what if there had never been a President George W. Bush, and when Bill Clinton left office he was immediately replaced with Barack Obama. Now imagine Obama had governed from 2000 to 2008 exactly as Bush did–doubling the size of government, doubling the debt, expanding federal entitlements and education, starting the Iraq war–the whole works. To make matters worse, imagine that for a portion of that time, the Democrats actually controlled all three branches of government. Would Republicans have given Obama and his party a free pass in carrying out the exact same agenda as Bush? It's hard to imagine this being the case, given the grief Bill Clinton got from Republicans, even though his big government agenda was less ambitious than Bush's. Yet, the last Republican president got very little criticism from his own party for most of his tenure.

 

For conservatives, there was no excuse for this.

 

 

 

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 02:26 PM)

 

 

This is complete bulls***. Complete. There are many people who disagree(d) with the fiscal policy of the president between 2000 and 2008 (and in particular 2007-2008). But this is like suggesting gas doesn't light a fire when you compare it to what Barackus the Great has done.

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 09:32 PM)
Psycho though he may be, he's right on this.

 

Not really, unless he still has a 20 yo toilet. Government regulation spurred innovation such that modern toilets use significantly less water and work just as effectively. Sort of like improved incandescents being developed once government regs came in.

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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 09:38 PM)
Not really, unless he still has a 20 yo toilet. Government regulation spurred innovation such that modern toilets use significantly less water and work just as effectively. Sort of like improved incandescents being developed once government regs came in.

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but I clearly wasn't referring to the toilets part of the discussion.

 

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QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 09:26 PM)
This is complete bulls***. Complete. There are many people who disagree(d) with the fiscal policy of the president between 2000 and 2008 (and in particular 2007-2008).

What, like 8 conservatives?

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QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 05:35 PM)
Yea, the ones that actually have a brain and aren't trying to impress liberals for no reason.

Yeah I'm calling bulls*** here. I paid a lot of attention to conservative talk then (didn't have much choice being in the military, having Fox on all the time, being around Republicans all the time) and nobody seriously criticized him until like 2007 when some things became really obvious, and Bush started to not matter. And even then, it was more like "Bush wasn't conservative enough" when he was pushing the conservative agenda EXACTLY as scripted.

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Nowhere else appropriate to put this but in AC: Brotherhood, when you are doing Subject 16's puzzles about all the hidden doings of Abstergo and their conspiracies they have a lot of current events in it, they start talking about how the SCOTUS ruling that corporate $$ = free speech was one of Abstergo's plans. They even mention Deepwater Horizon. I thought that was kinda funny, or creepy, however you want to see it.

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 10:06 PM)
Nowhere else appropriate to put this but in AC: Brotherhood, when you are doing Subject 16's puzzles about all the hidden doings of Abstergo and their conspiracies they have a lot of current events in it, they start talking about how the SCOTUS ruling that corporate $$ = free speech was one of Abstergo's plans. They even mention Deepwater Horizon. I thought that was kinda funny, or creepy, however you want to see it.

Gesundheit.

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 09:04 PM)
Yeah I'm calling bulls*** here. I paid a lot of attention to conservative talk then (didn't have much choice being in the military, having Fox on all the time, being around Republicans all the time) and nobody seriously criticized him until like 2007 when some things became really obvious, and Bush started to not matter. And even then, it was more like "Bush wasn't conservative enough" when he was pushing the conservative agenda EXACTLY as scripted.

 

 

Uhhhh... that's when he decided that spending didn't matter. And immigration. And... the list goes on... so I call bulls*** back.

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QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 09:38 PM)
Uhhhh... that's when he decided that spending didn't matter. And immigration. And... the list goes on... so I call bulls*** back.

Bush decided that spending didn't matter in 2007?

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Tom Friedman says we need to kill grandma to save junior

by digby

 

Trudy Lieberman and CJR has a typically sharp take on the latest from Tom Friedman, catching something quite appalling from the extremely wealthy so-called opinion leader. First he glibly goes on about the need for deficit reduction and chastises both parties for failing to enact the needed cuts to the budget. But then there was this:

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Well, mostly they're moving in with family and someone (mom probably) will have to quit work and stay home to do 24 hr nursing duties rather than pay for the kids' college or save for retirement. Or, we could just let these people die.

 

This hits close to home as my father has been diagnosed with dementia and my always sick mother is having trouble taking care of him.

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