Balta1701 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) Maybe it started ok, but the problem is the various networks have become entertainment networks, not news networks. They're basically 24/7 now, which means they have a ton of time to fill, and they normally fill it by having worthless debate about worthless topics that are clearly geared towards their selective audiences. This is one issue that I don't think anyone will debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Politics just got a lot funnier. Four-term Assemblywoman Sharron Angle (R-NV) today announced her intention to run for the seat in the House of Representatives being vacated by Dean Heller (R-NV): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Rand Paul: Imagine this—what if there had never been a President George W. Bush, and when Bill Clinton left office he was immediately replaced with Barack Obama. Now imagine Obama had governed from 2000 to 2008 exactly as Bush did–doubling the size of government, doubling the debt, expanding federal entitlements and education, starting the Iraq war–the whole works. To make matters worse, imagine that for a portion of that time, the Democrats actually controlled all three branches of government. Would Republicans have given Obama and his party a free pass in carrying out the exact same agenda as Bush? It's hard to imagine this being the case, given the grief Bill Clinton got from Republicans, even though his big government agenda was less ambitious than Bush's. Yet, the last Republican president got very little criticism from his own party for most of his tenure. For conservatives, there was no excuse for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Rand Paul also blames his broken toilet on the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) Rand Paul: This is complete bulls***. Complete. There are many people who disagree(d) with the fiscal policy of the president between 2000 and 2008 (and in particular 2007-2008). But this is like suggesting gas doesn't light a fire when you compare it to what Barackus the Great has done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 02:59 PM) Rand Paul also blames his broken toilet on the government. Psycho though he may be, he's right on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 09:32 PM) Psycho though he may be, he's right on this. Not really, unless he still has a 20 yo toilet. Government regulation spurred innovation such that modern toilets use significantly less water and work just as effectively. Sort of like improved incandescents being developed once government regs came in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 09:38 PM) Not really, unless he still has a 20 yo toilet. Government regulation spurred innovation such that modern toilets use significantly less water and work just as effectively. Sort of like improved incandescents being developed once government regs came in. I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but I clearly wasn't referring to the toilets part of the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 17, 2011 -> 09:07 AM) I can't tell if you are being sarcastic, but I clearly wasn't referring to the toilets part of the discussion. That's what I got from the post you replied to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Former Clinton Secretary of State Warren Christopher has died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 05:20 PM) Former Clinton Secretary of State Warren Christopher has died. OMG CLINTON MURDERED HIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 09:26 PM) This is complete bulls***. Complete. There are many people who disagree(d) with the fiscal policy of the president between 2000 and 2008 (and in particular 2007-2008). What, like 8 conservatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) What, like 8 conservatives? Yea, the ones that actually have a brain and aren't trying to impress liberals for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 05:35 PM) Yea, the ones that actually have a brain and aren't trying to impress liberals for no reason. Yeah I'm calling bulls*** here. I paid a lot of attention to conservative talk then (didn't have much choice being in the military, having Fox on all the time, being around Republicans all the time) and nobody seriously criticized him until like 2007 when some things became really obvious, and Bush started to not matter. And even then, it was more like "Bush wasn't conservative enough" when he was pushing the conservative agenda EXACTLY as scripted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Nowhere else appropriate to put this but in AC: Brotherhood, when you are doing Subject 16's puzzles about all the hidden doings of Abstergo and their conspiracies they have a lot of current events in it, they start talking about how the SCOTUS ruling that corporate $$ = free speech was one of Abstergo's plans. They even mention Deepwater Horizon. I thought that was kinda funny, or creepy, however you want to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 10:06 PM) Nowhere else appropriate to put this but in AC: Brotherhood, when you are doing Subject 16's puzzles about all the hidden doings of Abstergo and their conspiracies they have a lot of current events in it, they start talking about how the SCOTUS ruling that corporate $$ = free speech was one of Abstergo's plans. They even mention Deepwater Horizon. I thought that was kinda funny, or creepy, however you want to see it. Gesundheit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 LOL. This guy is a presidential contender for the GOP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 04:04 PM) LOL. This guy is a presidential contender for the GOP? "Contender" is loosely used there. Remember Mike Gravel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 03:16 PM) "Contender" is loosely used there. Remember Mike Gravel? Gravel had the best ad, and the best quote, of any candidate from either party during that election cycle. I'm glad he ran, he was entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 QUOTE (lostfan @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 09:04 PM) Yeah I'm calling bulls*** here. I paid a lot of attention to conservative talk then (didn't have much choice being in the military, having Fox on all the time, being around Republicans all the time) and nobody seriously criticized him until like 2007 when some things became really obvious, and Bush started to not matter. And even then, it was more like "Bush wasn't conservative enough" when he was pushing the conservative agenda EXACTLY as scripted. Uhhhh... that's when he decided that spending didn't matter. And immigration. And... the list goes on... so I call bulls*** back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 09:38 PM) Uhhhh... that's when he decided that spending didn't matter. And immigration. And... the list goes on... so I call bulls*** back. Bush decided that spending didn't matter in 2007? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 and immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 12:28 PM) OMG CLINTON MURDERED HIM haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) Tom Friedman says we need to kill grandma to save junior by digby Trudy Lieberman and CJR has a typically sharp take on the latest from Tom Friedman, catching something quite appalling from the extremely wealthy so-called opinion leader. First he glibly goes on about the need for deficit reduction and chastises both parties for failing to enact the needed cuts to the budget. But then there was this: Friedman slapped the GOP because they have called for cuts in things we need to invest more in, such as education and infrastructure, “while leaving largely untouched things we need to reduce, like entitlements and defense spending.” The subtext seems to be that he wants to cut Social Security benefits, but instead he attacked the almost 1.7 million elderly in nursing homes—some of the frailest, neediest people in America. Friedman argues: A country that invests more in its elderly than its youth, more in nursing homes than schools, will neither invent the future nor own it. That stopped me cold. For one thing, the U.S. spends more on elementary and secondary education than it does on nursing homes. A spokesman for the Department of Education told me the amount spent on elementary and secondary education for the 2007-2008 school year was $495 billion; for nursing homes, national expenditures in 2008 totaled $138 billion, according to a document called “Health United States, 2010” from the CDC. That’s not even close. Here’s a more important question the press and the public should ask: What will happen to the elderly if we reduce spending on nursing homes, as Friedman hints is necessary? Well, mostly they're moving in with family and someone (mom probably) will have to quit work and stay home to do 24 hr nursing duties rather than pay for the kids' college or save for retirement. Or, we could just let these people die. This hits close to home as my father has been diagnosed with dementia and my always sick mother is having trouble taking care of him. Edited March 23, 2011 by BigSqwert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 You know, as much as I hate Friedman, that's taking some liberties with his statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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