Reddy Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:08 PM) Obama, Clinton and the rest of the Democratic party need to keep reminding voters right up until Election Day that Romney believes elderly people, college students, disabled vets and the working poor are a bunch of leeches... which they will. there's a month+ left. that's a short amount of time. they'll keep bringing this back up with a vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 All remember to register. It's getting close to the deadline for this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:23 PM) which they will. there's a month+ left. that's a short amount of time. they'll keep bringing this back up with a vengeance. Because they sure aren't running on their record... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 11:27 AM) Because they sure aren't running on their record... with this voter they are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:27 PM) Because they sure aren't running on their record... So let's go back to the party that actually got us in this mess to begin with...it took Bush and the GOP 8 years to skullf**k our economy with two wars, deregulation, massive deficit spending and tax cuts for the wealthy. You ain't gonna fix that in one term, I have no doubt we'll start seeing the economy grow stronger in the coming years if we stick with Obama and if the GOP act like adults and work with the President instead of c**kblocking his every move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:40 PM) with this voter they are! amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:46 PM) So let's go back to the party that actually got us in this mess to begin with...it took Bush and the GOP 8 years to skullf**k our economy with two wars, deregulation, massive deficit spending and tax cuts for the wealthy. You ain't gonna fix that in one term, I have no doubt we'll start seeing the economy grow stronger in the coming years if we stick with Obama and if the GOP act like adults and work with the President instead of c**kblocking his every move. Like I said, not running on their own record at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:46 PM) So let's go back to the party that actually got us in this mess to begin with...it took Bush and the GOP 8 years to skullf**k our economy with two wars, deregulation, massive deficit spending and tax cuts for the wealthy. You ain't gonna fix that in one term, I have no doubt we'll start seeing the economy grow stronger in the coming years if we stick with Obama and if the GOP act like adults and work with the President instead of c**kblocking his every move. That's a pretty simplistic view...and it's not based on reality, either. Every last thing you mentioned there, Obama took the ball and ran with it...but you conveniently ignore that, because otherwise you'd have no argument at all. And deregulation started under Clinton, not Bush, so that's dismissed. Let's see: All the wars you speak of were continued. The tax cuts you speak of...were extended...TWICE. Your entire argument is baseless. Try harder next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:48 PM) Like I said, not running on their own record at all. Also every thing he said is complete nonsense to boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 11:48 AM) Like I said, not running on their own record at all. to be fair, is Romney running on his? (universal, mandated health care - gay rights - and pro choice) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:55 PM) to be fair, is Romney running on his? (universal, mandated health care - gay rights - and pro choice) Nope, he's not either. But that doesn't discount the fact that Obama is doing exactly what Metsoxfan is doing for him right now...blaming everything on Bush, nothing on Clinton, and nothing on himself, DESPITE the *FACT* that Obama has taken everything Bush did, and continued or extended it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:55 PM) to be fair, is Romney running on his? (universal, mandated health care - gay rights - and pro choice) Nice redirection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 11:56 AM) Nice redirection. ok... but... how can you criticize one candidate for doing something the other candidate is also doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 "Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is alive". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reddy Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 11:57 AM) ok... but... how can you criticize one candidate for doing something the other candidate is also doing? how dare a campaign use catchy bumper-sticker propaganda! (just so you know, it's been happening ever since the advent of elections) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:48 PM) Like I said, not running on their own record at all. Not really true. Im pretty sure part of their record is health care. And why take the path of most resistance? Romney isnt Presidential material. If the Republican's put out a decent candidate, I could contemplate voting for them. But as long as their platform socially backward, I cant sign up for it. As an example: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/219...ctor/interview# I agree with 3,000 years of recorded history. I believe marriage is a sacred institution between a man and a woman and I have been rock solid in my support of traditional marriage. Marriage is first and foremost about nurturing and developing children. It’s unfortunate that those who choose to defend the institution of marriage are often demonized. - 12/14/06 National Review Online Id literally rather burn my money than vote for a candidate who thought that just because something was okay for 3000 years it should always be okay. Secondly, its not even historically accurate, unless we are only talking about a very specific culture subset. Third, 3000 years ago Christianity wasnt even contemplated, so if we are going by history trumps, shoudlnt we start eradicating Christianity? Because Im pretty sure that I can say "I agree with 6,000 years of recorded history and therefore the Old Testament trumps." It would be nice if we had 2 legitimate candidates, but we dont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 02:00 PM) how dare a campaign use catchy bumper-sticker propaganda! (just so you know, it's been happening ever since the advent of elections) There were bumper stickers when Romans voted for the Senate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 So Y2HH, what does Romney and the GOP offer that you think is a better alternative? I'd love to see what Romney's secret plan to improve the economy is if you know what it is. Romney certainly isn't running on his record as Governor, hardly ever mentions it all, wonder why... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 01:00 PM) how dare a campaign use catchy bumper-sticker propaganda! (just so you know, it's been happening ever since the advent of elections) Did you just reply to yourself? That's paradoxical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:57 PM) ok... but... how can you criticize one candidate for doing something the other candidate is also doing? He isn't. But much like the Jack Edwards' of the world, Romney is a spineless phoney who will change opinions in the wind. I can't stand Mitt Romney, and won't be voting for him. But again, this is the incumbent President we are redirecting away from. The guy who wants to do the same job for four more years. His best talking point is what the other guy said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 01:01 PM) So Y2HH, what does Romney and the GOP offer that you think is a better alternative? I'd love to see what Romney's secret plan to improve the economy is if you know what it is. Romney certainly isn't running on his record as Governor, hardly ever mentions it all, wonder why... I don't think Romney/GOP offer a better alternative. I don't think Romney is a very good candidate, nor do I think he'd make a very good president. But that still doesn't mean I agree with the Obama administration blaming the previous administration -- still -- after four years of continuing just about every policy that former administration put in place. If you want to blame the previous administration, fine...I'm ok with that. But then don't go and extend everything that terrible administration did...which is pretty much exactly what Obama has done. People will blame congress, the senate, or whatever...but how about we blame a spineless president that keeps on signing extensions to all of these wars/tax cuts, DESPITE blaming them for all of our ills? And I really dislike disrespecting the office of the President, including Obama...so I don't take it lightly when I call him spineless for some of the moves he made. I think Obama has surrounded himself with a lot of really terrible people, and they're convincing him to do these things...but that doesn't exonerate him in that he's still the one signing his name on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:51 PM) That's a pretty simplistic view...and it's not based on reality, either. Every last thing you mentioned there, Obama took the ball and ran with it...but you conveniently ignore that, because otherwise you'd have no argument at all. And deregulation started under Clinton, not Bush, so that's dismissed. Let's see: All the wars you speak of were continued. The tax cuts you speak of...were extended...TWICE. Your entire argument is baseless. Try harder next time. The tax cuts Obama passed helped middle income families and he did end the Iraq war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 01:05 PM) The tax cuts Obama passed helped middle income families and he did end the Iraq war. Obama didn't pass any tax cuts...he simply extended Bush's tax cuts...TWICE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 12:56 PM) Nope, he's not either. But that doesn't discount the fact that Obama is doing exactly what Metsoxfan is doing for him right now...blaming everything on Bush, nothing on Clinton, and nothing on himself, DESPITE the *FACT* that Obama has taken everything Bush did, and continued or extended it. I'm not a Mets fan, how dare you sir I gotta change my user name to MSF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Sep 19, 2012 -> 02:06 PM) Obama didn't pass any tax cuts...he simply extended Bush's tax cuts...TWICE. Incorrect. There was a substantial additional tax credit included in the stimulus package known as "Making work Pay". That was then followed up a year later by a 1 year payroll tax cut. Those were done on top of the only extension done of the Bush Tax cuts so far, which happened in 2010 during the Lame Duck session, at which point they were extended for 2 years (hence, they expire at the end of 2012). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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