The Democrat Thread

[BigSqwert]

I love the guy with the telescope making adjustments.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Not really effective, but funny.

 

 

We need more political ads with talking moose heads.

[BigSqwert]

For all the complaining the McCain camp has done about Dems bringing up Joe the Plumber I find it odd that McCain is doing a Joe the Plumber tour today.

[HuskyCaucasian]

For all the complaining the McCain camp has done about Dems bringing up Joe the Plumber I find it odd that McCain is doing a Joe the Plumber tour today.

but but but.... Barack exploited him and put him unfairly in the spotlight.

 

It's amazing how often I've seen "projection" from those that oppose Obama. Hillary did it, now McCain. They do something, then say it's Obama who is actually doing it.

[HuskyCaucasian]

The Almost Next Palin: Zamboni Palin

Alicia also wondered if you had any more unique names up your sleeve.

Sarah: We did. We never got to get our Zamboni in. I always wanted a son named Zamboni.

Tod: I don't think that would have flied.

 

Wow, secessionist Tod is the sane one. What the hell is wrong with this woman?

 

So, since i am a huge baseball fan, I am thinking of naming my first born son FieldTarp.

Edited October 23, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[lostfan]

The Almost Next Palin: Zamboni Palin

 

 

Wow, secessionist Tod is the sane one. What the hell is wrong with this woman?

 

So, since i am a huge baseball fan, I am thinking of naming my first born son FieldTarp.

I figured it was obvious she was joking...?

[HuskyCaucasian]

I figured it was obvious she was joking...?

Trig... Track? I'm not so sure.

[BigSqwert]

This is pretty neat. Kudos to MoveOn.

 

 

[HuskyCaucasian]

The newest piece of junk mail forwarded to my by my grandmother (I swear she thinks everything that hits her in-box needs to be forwarded):

I Didn't Know This. Did you?

 

Question: What is America 's first line of missile interceptor defense that protects the entire United States?

Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard.

 

 

Question: What is the ONLY National Guard unit on permanent active duty?

Answer: 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard

 

Question: Who is the Commander in Chief of the 49th Missile Defense Battalion of Alaska National Guard?

Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

 

Question: What U.S. governor is routinely briefed on highly classified military issues, homeland security, and counter terrorism?

Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

 

Question: What U.S. governor has a higher classified security rating than either candidate of the Democrat Party?

Answer: Governor Sarah Palin, Alaska

 

According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets. She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is.

 

Now you know too, please, pass it on!

 

My retort:

Several Flaws with this:

While the 49th Missile Defense Battalion may be in Alaska, an Alaskan Governor has little to no oversight or "commander-in-chef" responsibilities.

 

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na...0,4238012.story

 

"foreign deployments of Guard units and the operation of national defense assets like the Ft. Greely missile interceptors are not the responsibility of state governors. Those functions come under the regular U.S. military chain of command. Commanding the Alaska National Guard is hardly an insignificant job, military officials say. Still, they acknowledge that it provides little, if any, foreign policy experience."

 

So while the e-mail boasts the AK national guard is on constant active duty, it actually shows an Alaskan Governor has no command over those units.

 

And doing a google search, there is no record of any news source reporting she does get "routinely briefed" or holds a higher clearance. All Governors go through a security screening, but the FBI will not release information as to any one person's security clearance status. So, to say as a fact that she holds higher clearance than Obama and Biden is a stretch at best, and my be flat out wrong. In fact this was something I found:

"Both Biden and Obama are on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Obama is also on the Homeland Security Committee. It's fair to assume they are exposed to the same, if not more, military and security information. Biden and Obama may have security clearances we don't know about, either."

 

As for this part:

"According to the Washington Post, she first met with McCain in February, but nobody ever found out. This is a woman used to keeping secrets. She can be entrusted with our national security, because she already is."

 

That is very misleading. yes they did meet, but they met in passing at a reception at the National Governors Association winter meeting. It was never a "secret" that they had met each other. In fact, weeks before she was named VP, the fact that they met was discussed in the news. but it was no big deal since it was basically a social gathering. not some top secret VP meeting. It wasnt as if he offered the spot then. In fact, a New York Times article released today says she wasnt first mentioned as a VP possibility until August 24th... less than a week before she was named. And even then it was suggested to McCain by one of his advisers. She wasnt even on McCain's top 5 of people he wanted to be VP.

[BigSqwert]

Too bad Obama doesn't get the $500 shoes McCain gets or the lavish digs Palin has been getting...

 

 

Note: This is 100% snark. I realize those shoes could possibly be worth $500.

[HuskyCaucasian]

D'OH! McCain Urged Reagan To Meet Terror Groups Without Precondition

 

In 1987, John McCain cast several votes in an attempt to force the Reagan administration to meet with RENAMO, a guerrilla organization in Mozambique that State Department officials at the time described as a "terrorist group," without requiring that the group meet any preconditions.

.......

During this time, the Reagan administration did not budge on its support for FRELIMO and opposition to recognizing and meeting with RENAMO. In fact, the administration's position was strengthened after the revelation of a RENAMO massacre of 408 people in the village of Homoine in July of 1987, witnessed by American citizen Mark van Koevering.

 

In what Senator Alan Cranston referred to during debate on the nomination as "truly Orwellian fashion," conservative Senators claimed that the massacre was a set-up by the governing FRELIMO. Most Senators voted to confirm her, but John McCain was one of the 24 Senators who voted against cloture on her nomination and against confirming her as ambassador to Mozambique.11. Of the Republicans still in the Senate today, Richard Lugar, Pete Domenici and Arlen Specter voted for her nomination; Grassley, Bond, McCain, Hatch and McConnell voted against it; and Ted Stevens and John Warner missed the vote. A month after Wells was confirmed, Jesse Helms introduced an amendment to the State Department authorization bill that would have forced the Secretary of State to meet with RENAMO without requiring any pre-conditions. Senator McCain opposed the motion by fellow Republican Senator John Danforth to kill the Helms amendment.

Edited October 23, 2008 by Athomeboy_2000

[lostfan]

People in Congress don't get security clearances, per se. They are authorized certain information by default, because it's part of their duties, but they don't have blanket access to whatever they want, only what they need. But that applies to everyone else too and that would definitely include Palin, to say that one type of official has more access than another is kind of absurd, because there is no way for anybody to know in the first place. I swear I think whoever wrote that e-mail pulled that "fact" straight out of their ass.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Not sure if this was mentioned, anyone else a little disgusted that the RNC would use a picture of an Airplane about to fly into a building to attack Obama as soft on terror?

 

[BigSqwert]

Not sure if this was mentioned, anyone else a little disgusted that the RNC would use a picture of an Airplane about to fly into a building to attack Obama as soft on terror?

 

 

That looks like an airplane parked outside of an airport. Isn't there a silhouette of luggage in the pic?

[Balta1701]

Not sure if this was mentioned, anyone else a little disgusted that the RNC would use a picture of an Airplane about to fly into a building to attack Obama as soft on terror?

Beat you by 2 days. With a better view of the thing too.

[Balta1701]

That looks like an airplane parked outside of an airport. Isn't there a silhouette of luggage in the pic?

Yes it is. It would be very difficult to have that picture anywhere other than an airport. I can only think of about 3 buildings that have had that view other than airports.

[HuskyCaucasian]

Beat you by 2 days. With a better view of the thing too.

thank ya! my bad

[HuskyCaucasian]

That looks like an airplane parked outside of an airport. Isn't there a silhouette of luggage in the pic?

do you REALLY think they are implying it's an airport?

[Gene Honda Civic]

[BigSqwert]

What a couple of douche bags.

[BigSqwert]

Why McCain Has Lost Our Vote

 

CC Goldwater

Posted October 23, 2008 | 10:28 AM (EST)

 

 

Being Barry Goldwater's granddaughter and living in Arizona, one would assume that I would be voting for our state's senator, John McCain. I am still struck by certain 'dyed in the wool' Republicans who are on the fence this election, as it seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

Myself, along with my siblings and a few cousins, will not be supporting the Republican presidential candidates this year. We believe strongly in what our grandfather stood for: honesty, integrity, and personal freedom, free from political maneuvering and fear tactics. I learned a lot about my grandfather while producing the documentary, Mr. Conservative Goldwater on Goldwater. Our generation of Goldwaters expects government to provide for constitutional protections. We reject the constant intrusion into our personal lives, along with other crucial policy issues of the McCain/Palin ticket.

 

My grandfather (Paka) would never suggest denying a woman's right to choose. My grandmother co-founded Planned Parenthood in Arizona in the 1930's, a cause my grandfather supported. I'm not sure about how he would feel about marriage rights based on same-sex orientation. I think he would feel that love and respect for ones privacy is what matters most and not the intolerance and poor judgment displayed by McCain over the years. Paka respected our civil liberties and passed on the message that that we should conduct our lives standing up for the basic freedoms we hold so dear.

 

For a while, there were several candidates who aligned themselves with the Goldwater version of Conservative thought. My grandfather had undying respect for the U.S. Constitution, and an understanding of its true meanings.

 

There always have been a glimmer of hope that someday, someone would "race through the gate" full steam in Goldwater style. Unfortunately, this hasn't happened, and the Republican brand has been tarnished in a shameless effort to gain votes and appeal to the lowest emotion, fear. Nothing about McCain, except for maybe a uniform, compares to the same ideology of what Goldwater stood for as a politician. The McCain/Palin plan is to appear diverse and inclusive, using women and minorities to push an agenda that makes us all financially vulnerable, fearful, and less safe.

 

When you see the candidate's in political ads, you can't help but be reminded of the 1964 presidential campaign of Johnson/Goldwater, the 'origin of spin', that twists the truth and obscures what really matters. Nothing about the Republican ticket offers the hope America needs to regain it's standing in the world, that's why we're going to support Barack Obama. I think that Obama has shown his ability and integrity.

 

After the last eight years, there's a lot of clean up do. Roll up your sleeves, Senators Obama and Biden, and we Goldwaters will roll ours up with you.

 

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[StrangeSox]

Beat you by 2 days. With a better view of the thing too.

 

McCain says he's proud of the mailer.

 

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10222008/news/...tack_134696.htm

 

I've lost just about all of the respect I had for him this time last year.

[lostfan]

To be honest I probably won't have any lasting animosity towards John McCain. Campaigning is like a game.

[BigSqwert]

Gotta love McCain and the GOP's constant effort to divide.

 

In tonight's NBC News interview with Brian Williams, McCain explains that the "elites" are located in D.C. and New York City:

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[NorthSideSox72]

Gotta love McCain and the GOP's constant effort to divide.

Interesting that in this case, Palin actually had the correct answer, and the more experienced McCain went off the reservation.