Jenksismyhero Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 07:46 AM) I wonder whose servers know me better. Google or the NSA? I, for one, welcome our new government overlords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 trick question, NSA has direct access to the google servers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 07:31 PM) trick question, NSA has direct access to the google servers Is this actually a proven (or at least leaked) thing, or just an assumption? Granted, it's the same assumption I would make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 QUOTE (farmteam @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 08:48 PM) Is this actually a proven (or at least leaked) thing, or just an assumption? Granted, it's the same assumption I would make. Someone add the link to today's Washington post article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 8, 2013 Share Posted June 8, 2013 This guy was apparently the uncle of a couple of my friends in NW Indiana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 http://fuelfix.com/blog/2013/06/09/states-...gasoline-taxes/ States consider fees for hybrids to recoup lost gasoline taxes What do you guys think? Have I finally found a tax you disapprove of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) gotta pay for the roads somehow. edit: but now that I think about it, I think the road wear from small cars is basically negligible and that it's larger trucks and semis that do almost all of the damage. Edited June 10, 2013 by StrangeSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 10:56 AM) gotta pay for the roads somehow. edit: but now that I think about it, I think the road wear from small cars is basically negligible and that it's larger trucks and semis that do almost all of the damage. Maybe they could institute a truck and SUV tax to cover for the hybrids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 some sort of weight-and-miles-driven formula would be best, but that's not exactly practical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 How about they just raise the gas tax? Simple, elegant, literally is weighted based on weight of the vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 On a related issue, why is gas around Chicago $1 more than gas in S.C. and .50-60 more than gas all the way down in Key West? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 On a related issue, why is gas around Chicago $1 more than gas in S.C. and .50-60 more than gas all the way down in Key West? It has something to do with the Whiting refinery being unable to run at full capacity. It has affected gas prices in most of IL and IN and parts of MI and WI. Luckily I'm far enough south that I'm still paying $3.49 for gas, but it's $3.89 in Indy and $4.09 in South Bend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 01:50 PM) On a related issue, why is gas around Chicago $1 more than gas in S.C. and .50-60 more than gas all the way down in Key West? I was in Chicago for a few days a little less than a month ago. While I was in Chicago, the gas prices here in the Cities skyrocketed to be the highest in the country (at the time) at about $4.30. They're back down to $3.60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 08:52 AM) http://fuelfix.com/blog/2013/06/09/states-...gasoline-taxes/ States consider fees for hybrids to recoup lost gasoline taxes What do you guys think? Have I finally found a tax you disapprove of? We actually have something in the utility industry similar to this...we have something called "lost revenue" that the entire pool of electric rate payers pays to make up for the lost revenue from folks who participate in energy conservation programs. So if Bill is enrolled in the more efficient pool pump program and therefore saves $100 annually on his electric bill, the pool of ratepayers makes up for that deficiency as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Ha, I was wondering why ComEd is always promoting better electricity conservation, effectively encouraging their customers to use less of the product. Now it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 02:10 PM) It has something to do with the Whiting refinery being unable to run at full capacity. It has affected gas prices in most of IL and IN and parts of MI and WI. Luckily I'm far enough south that I'm still paying $3.49 for gas, but it's $3.89 in Indy and $4.09 in South Bend. They are doing a modernization plan in Whiting, and then I had someone tell me that there was a fire at another refinery somewhere in the midwest. Don't know if that part is true or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farmteam Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 04:09 PM) They are doing a modernization plan in Whiting, and then I had someone tell me that there was a fire at another refinery somewhere in the midwest. Don't know if that part is true or not. Well the reason I'd heard for the Minnesota price spike was that three facilities were down at the same time for scheduled maintenance. Sen. Klobuchar (D-MN) got all pissed and wrote angry letters galore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Detroit Free Press “The Midwest refineries are plagued with problems,” said Phil Flynn, chief energy analyst with the Price Future Group in Chicago. “While the rest of the country is swimming in supply, the Midwest is seeing 22-year lows of supply. We can’t seem to get a break.” Michigan was especially hard hit this weekend because it depends on aging Midwest refineries that have had problems this year. However, unlike other Midwest states, which also had higher prices, Michigan doesn’t have as many other refinery and pipeline options, one analyst said. In addition, speculation among Midwest refiners likely is causing them to panic and buy gasoline at a premium to meet contract orders from wholesalers. Other oil producers see a competitor’s vulnerability and ratchet up prices, which the buying refinery passes on to wholesalers, who, in turn, raise their prices to retailers, who then boost what they charge consumers. Flynn pointed to five regional refineries that supply Michigan with gas: ■ On Friday, the ExxonMobil refinery in Joliet, Ill., shut down, possibly through next week. The refinery was closed in April for maintenance. ■ Last week, the Phillips 66 Wood River plant in Roxana, Ill., reported a process leak. Its operations status was unclear. The plant also had an unplanned shutdown in late February. ■ In late May, a compressor at Citgo Petroleum’s Lemont, Ill., refinery was shut down, adding to the regional supply shortage. ■ In late April, there was an explosion and fire at the Marathon Petroleum refinery in southwest Detroit. ■ And for many months, production at BP’s refinery in Whiting, Ind., has been cut to about a third of capacity as the plant converts to process heavy Canadian tar sands crude. When completed, the plant is expected to refine more oil, but the conversion is taking longer than anticipated, Flynn said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 01:56 PM) Ha, I was wondering why ComEd is always promoting better electricity conservation, effectively encouraging their customers to use less of the product. Now it makes sense. Yeah, it's really the only way you can expect a company to encourage people to utilize less of their product... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 10, 2013 -> 01:50 PM) On a related issue, why is gas around Chicago $1 more than gas in S.C. and .50-60 more than gas all the way down in Key West? Taxes. Federal gas tax is 18 cents per gallon IL state gas tax is 19 cents per gallon Environmental gas tax is ~ 1 cent per gallon City of Chicago gas tax is 5 per gallon Cook County gas tax is 6 cents per gallon ...and then, placed on top of that is a City of Chicago sales tax of 6%, in addition to the State of IL sales tax (I don't know the number off hand), which is essentially taxing tax. That's why prices are so high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 09:38 AM) Taxes. Federal gas tax is 18 cents per gallon IL state gas tax is 19 cents per gallon Environmental gas tax is ~ 1 cent per gallon City of Chicago gas tax is 5 per gallon Cook County gas tax is 6 cents per gallon ...and then, placed on top of that is a City of Chicago sales tax of 6%, in addition to the State of IL sales tax (I don't know the number off hand), which is essentially taxing tax. That's why prices are so high. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 08:38 AM) Taxes. Federal gas tax is 18 cents per gallon IL state gas tax is 19 cents per gallon Environmental gas tax is ~ 1 cent per gallon City of Chicago gas tax is 5 per gallon Cook County gas tax is 6 cents per gallon ...and then, placed on top of that is a City of Chicago sales tax of 6%, in addition to the State of IL sales tax (I don't know the number off hand), which is essentially taxing tax. That's why prices are so high. Refinary issues are adding another 50-60 cents on top of where prices should be. With futures at $2.80 right now, our prices in Indiana would usually be around $3.40 to $3.50. We are at $4.15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 02:38 PM) Taxes. Federal gas tax is 18 cents per gallon IL state gas tax is 19 cents per gallon Environmental gas tax is ~ 1 cent per gallon City of Chicago gas tax is 5 per gallon Cook County gas tax is 6 cents per gallon ...and then, placed on top of that is a City of Chicago sales tax of 6%, in addition to the State of IL sales tax (I don't know the number off hand), which is essentially taxing tax. That's why prices are so high. I don't think so. NC gas taxes are only 1.3 cents less than IL gas taxes, but our gas is more than a dollar cheaper than yours. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipse...t-in-gas-taxes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 09:43 AM) Refinary issues are adding another 50-60 cents on top of where prices should be. With futures at $2.80 right now, our prices in Indiana would usually be around $3.40 to $3.50. We are at $4.15. Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted June 11, 2013 Share Posted June 11, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 08:44 AM) Yup. Nope. It's both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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