DukeNukeEm Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 Plenty of private companies waste money on dumb projects and inefficient operations. Either way, duke continues to believe that some=all. I dont go to jail if I refuse to give a private company my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 01:44 PM) I dont go to jail if I refuse to give a private company my money. Nor is a private businesses money "our" money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:44 PM) I dont go to jail if I refuse to give a private company my money. If you stay on their land and use their resources however, they're very likely to bill you for it, or have you arrested for trespassing. Are you currently located within the territorial borders of the United States? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 01:52 PM) If you stay on their land and use their resources however, they're very likely to bill you for it, or have you arrested for trespassing. Are you currently located within the territorial borders of the United States? He already pays taxes for the use of those other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 01:44 PM) I dont go to jail if I refuse to give a private company my money. Not exactly relevant to your claims here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 If you stay on their land and use their resources however, they're very likely to bill you for it, or have you arrested for trespassing. Are you currently located within the territorial borders of the United States? So much for government by and for the people. Im resigned to the fact that were seen as mere subjects by our rulers, Im always surprised though when people are proud of that dynamic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:53 PM) He already pays taxes for the use of those other things. And a private company would have the right to determine what the appropriate rate would be to use the benefits it provides, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:56 PM) So much for government by and for the people. Im resigned to the fact that were seen as mere subjects by our rulers, Im always surprised though when people are proud of that dynamic. I'm one of those people. You're using my resources too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 01:56 PM) So much for government by and for the people. Im resigned to the fact that were seen as mere subjects by our rulers, Im always surprised though when people are proud of that dynamic. I know Republicans are trying to suppress the vote as much as possible, but I missed when we abandoned democracy. I could have sworn I heard about some big elections at the state and local levels today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 And a private company would have the right to determine what the appropriate rate would be to use the benefits it provides, yes? Except a competing private conpany, in a perfect world without state endorsed oligopolies, will keep them honest by offering identical services at lower prices. Government just tells us how much something costs then forces us at gunpoint to buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:58 PM) Except a competing private conpany, in a perfect world without state endorsed oligopolies, will keep them honest by offering identical services at lower prices. Government just tells us how much something costs then forces us at gunpoint to buy it. There are zero laws requiring you to stay in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 01:56 PM) And a private company would have the right to determine what the appropriate rate would be to use the benefits it provides, yes? That's not quite the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 I know Republicans are trying to suppress the vote as much as possible, but I missed when we abandoned democracy. I could have sworn I heard about some big elections at the state and local levels today? Im referring to Balta's use of "their" instead of "our", a freudian slip that really speaks volumes about how statist his philosophy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 01:58 PM) Except a competing private conpany, in a perfect world without state endorsed oligopolies, will keep them honest by offering identical services at lower prices. Monopolistic control of a market is the goal and end-point for any capitalist firm. Go back to less-regulated times (Gilded Age) to see how much competition there really was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 01:59 PM) There are zero laws requiring you to stay in this country. I'm not aware of any countries with an open borders policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 There are zero laws requiring you to stay in this country. I know, thats one of the things that bothers me when I wonder why liberals didnt just move instead of having to stay here and ruin America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:01 PM) Monopolistic control of a market is the goal and end-point for any capitalist firm. Go back to less-regulated times (Gilded Age) to see how much competition there really was. This isn't really true anymore...because the second you get dubbed a monopoly, you are shattered into tiny pieces now. Laws changed this view pretty drastically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:01 PM) Im referring to Balta's use of "their" instead of "our", a freudian slip that really speaks volumes about how statist his philosophy is. Balta was very clearly referring to private corporations in that sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) This isn't really true anymore...because the second you get dubbed a monopoly, you are shattered into tiny pieces now. Laws changed this view pretty drastically. Duke is arguing for a "perfect world" free of government interference. You know, no more pesky, freedom-killing things like anti-trust laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) I know, thats one of the things that bothers me when I wonder why liberals didnt just move instead of having to stay here and ruin America. Yes, but on the flip side of that coin, there are also zero laws that say other countries have to take you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 03:01 PM) Im referring to Balta's use of "their" instead of "our", a freudian slip that really speaks volumes about how statist his philosophy is. You do realize you're the one who used the example of a "private company" first, right? And that I was following your exact example? I know corporations are people in this country but as far as I know I'm not incorporated, so in the example you used, "their" is the correct terminology to refer to corporations which I am not a part of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:03 PM) Duke is arguing for a "perfect world" free of government interference. You know, no more pesky, freedom-killing things like anti-trust laws. Oh, so he wants Ma Bell back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 03:03 PM) Oh, so he wants Ma Bell back... Um...yeah, that already happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:03 PM) Oh, so he wants Ma Bell back... The ultimate irony is that limited-liability corporations, the foundation of modern capitalism, are entirely a creation of government. They are intangible entities that only exist because legal documents say they exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted November 5, 2013 Share Posted November 5, 2013 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 5, 2013 -> 02:04 PM) Um...yeah, that already happened. Almost, but not quite. We have some competition these days, in the form of ATT vs Verizon vs Sprint vs Tmobile vs US Cellular, etc... That's better than, say...having JUST AT&T. You're cell phone bill would be 1k a month right now if that was the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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