The Democrat Thread

[Reddy]

I'm not going to sign that.

then don't. but then enjoy this kind of childish antics for the rest of f***ing ever. it has to stop, and it won't stop until WE stop it. Dems need to grow a pair - frankly, anyone who thinks all of this is bs needs to grow a pair and say something. The shrugging it off has to stop.

Edited March 10, 2015 by Reddy

[Balta1701]

then don't. but then enjoy this kind of childish antics for the rest of f***ing ever. it has to stop, and it won't stop until WE stop it. Grow a pair.

"childish antics" do not rise to the level of a crime oftentimes. Being childish back doesn't seem like an obvious solution.

 

I will probably at least send my first communication to Toomey later.

[Reddy]

"childish antics" do not rise to the level of a crime oftentimes. Being childish back doesn't seem like an obvious solution.

 

I will probably at least send my first communication to Toomey later.

how is it childish to hold people accountable for their actions?

[Balta1701]

how is it childish to hold people accountable for their actions?

That act, while it would probably be enforceable for normal folks, would never stand up to a court challenge if applied to Congress. The Constitution gives the Senate explicit right to "Advise and Consent" on foreign policy. The only way that the Supreme Court would rule so narrowly that the definition of Advise and Consent means they can't have any unauthorized contact with foreign leaders is if Democrats did something like this and Scalia et al got to play off their "original intent/exact meaning" setup, which they wouldn't do here because it's a bunch of Republicans.

[Reddy]

That act, while it would probably be enforceable for normal folks, would never stand up to a court challenge if applied to Congress. The Constitution gives the Senate explicit right to "Advise and Consent" on foreign policy. The only way that the Supreme Court would rule so narrowly that the definition of Advise and Consent means they can't have any unauthorized contact with foreign leaders is if Democrats did something like this and Scalia et al got to play off their "original intent/exact meaning" setup, which they wouldn't do here because it's a bunch of Republicans.

that's exactly, EXACTLY my point.

 

The Republicans would have a f***ing field day with this, but Democrats are so f***ing pathetic that they're unwilling to play the same game - the game that's been WORKING at the Congressional and State levels for years. This "above the fray" bulls*** has backfired so tremendously.

 

You don't need for the SC to rule against the GOP, just make it a huge issue that hangs over their party. Because if you don't, in a few years Cotton's going to be running for President off this hype. But shrugging it off as just one more step in a line of ridiculous acts by the GOP is exactly what allows them to keep pushing the envelope further and further and further. At some point we have to say enough is e-f***ing-nough, right?

[bmags]

Obviously it's not appropriate but I don't know how you can expect any better from that party. They want a war that someone else takes the blame for.

 

This sets horrible precedent for any major foreign negotiations (such as climate change).

 

You bring up Advise and Consent, I'm not sure writing a letter muddling the authority of the head of state to make international agreements qualifies.

[Y2HH]

that's exactly, EXACTLY my point.

 

The Republicans would have a f***ing field day with this, but Democrats are so f***ing pathetic that they're unwilling to play the same game - the game that's been WORKING at the Congressional and State levels for years. This "above the fray" bulls*** has backfired so tremendously.

 

You don't need for the SC to rule against the GOP, just make it a huge issue that hangs over their party. Because if you don't, in a few years Cotton's going to be running for President off this hype. But shrugging it off as just one more step in a line of ridiculous acts by the GOP is exactly what allows them to keep pushing the envelope further and further and further. At some point we have to say enough is e-f***ing-nough, right?

 

Try doing that next election cycle instead of through silly petitions.

[Balta1701]

Try doing that next election cycle instead of through silly petitions.

Um...you realize we're talking about a letter that could easily be described as a "silly petition"?

[Y2HH]

Um...you realize we're talking about a letter that could easily be described as a "silly petition"?

 

Yes, and you relize I'm not actually defending either side of this story, but merely responding to the bolded part of Reddy's post (included in my original reply).

 

I'm simply saying to vote them out of office next time instead of resorting to this futile silliness. Our strongest voice can be heard through voting, not some silly petition about a law written in the 1700's after they win additional seats because all the progressive voters were too lazy to go out on election day and f***ing vote.

 

I know, it's much easier to b**** about it from behind a keyboard, for example...with an Internets petition than to, you know, actually do something about it when we can.

Edited March 10, 2015 by Y2HH

[Balta1701]

Yes, and you relize I'm not actually defending either side of this story.

 

I'm simply saying vote them out of office next time instead of letting them take additional seats. Our strongest voice is voting, not some silly petition about a law written in the 1700's after they win additional seats because all the progressive voters were too lazy to go out on election day and f***ing vote.

 

I know, it's much easier to b**** about it from behind a keyboard, for example...with an Internets petition than to, you know, actually do something about it when we can.

Great. As soon as we're all billionaires we can make that happen.

[Y2HH]

Great. As soon as we're all billionaires we can make that happen.

 

This is weak.

 

If the young can vote Obama into office, they can show up in off cycle elections and vote the GOP out of the house/senate, too.

Edited March 10, 2015 by Y2HH

[Balta1701]

This is weak.

As is the connection between what voters want and how Congress actually behaves.

[Y2HH]

As is the connection between what voters want and how Congress actually behaves.

 

No, this is the exact congress the voters wanted.

[bmags]

I don't think that's fair, you could only blame me for having Alex g. lose to Kirk. I can't win all the states.

[Y2HH]

I don't think that's fair, you could only blame me for having Alex g. lose to Kirk. I can't win all the states.

 

Find a way.

 

 

[Balta1701]

No, this is the exact congress the voters wanted.

Which is why people spend a helluva lot of money to make sure people they don't like won't vote.

[Reddy]

No, this is the exact congress the voters wanted.

In NO world is this true. It's the congress that paid to be there. You don't think money talks?

[Reddy]

Oh, and that petition... has 75,000 names on it now since last we spoke.

 

I guess people care.

[Y2HH]

In NO world is this true. It's the congress that paid to be there. You don't think money talks?

 

Both sides have a lot of money, but it's still up to the voters to actually get out and vote...the younger generation didn't show up this election, and that was the difference.

 

This is excuse making, whiney bulls***. We have the exact congress we voted for, in a f***ed up system, run by f***ed up politicians, bought and paid for by f***ed up greedy corporations, no matter what letter sits next to their names.

 

The sooner you all realize both parties are bought and paid for the better.

Edited March 11, 2015 by Y2HH

[Jake]

I don't like the "well the Republicans have the stones to do something like this!" argument. That's why I don't like the Republicans. I don't want the party that most closely aligns with my interests to get caught up in that bulls***. Then nobody would be trying to do things that approximate reasonableness.

[Y2HH]

I don't like the "well the Republicans have the stones to do something like this!" argument. That's why I don't like the Republicans. I don't want the party that most closely aligns with my interests to get caught up in that bulls***. Then nobody would be trying to do things that approximate reasonableness.

 

Throughout history, there are times both sides make sense, there are times neither side makes sense, and there are times only one side makes sense, but there are no times where one side always makes sense.

 

And this is my problem with people.

 

They're sheep, with a D or an R next to their name, and what's worse is they convince themselves this only applies to the other party.

 

People talk about one party needing to grow some balls, but IMO, it's a lot of you voters that need to grow some balls and start thinking for yourselves, instead of thinking like a letter.

Edited March 11, 2015 by Y2HH

[Reddy]

Throughout history, there are times both sides make sense, there are times neither side makes sense, and there are times only one side makes sense, but there are no times where one side always makes sense.

 

And this is my problem with people.

 

They're sheep, with a D or an R next to their name, and what's worse is they convince themselves this only applies to the other party.

 

People talk about one party needing to grow some balls, but IMO, it's a lot of you voters that need to grow some balls and start thinking for yourselves, instead of thinking like a letter.

 

Tell me how my vote makes any difference living in NYC?

 

[Reddy]

I don't like the "well the Republicans have the stones to do something like this!" argument. That's why I don't like the Republicans. I don't want the party that most closely aligns with my interests to get caught up in that bulls***. Then nobody would be trying to do things that approximate reasonableness.

 

 

I don't know if you've noticed, but an overabundance of "reasonableness" has lost us congress by a significant margine.

[Reddy]

115,000 signatures

[Y2HH]

Tell me how my vote makes any difference living in NYC?

 

The majority of older people vote, while a minority of younger people vote -- so every younger person that votes, such as yourself -- counts as the voice of the next generation of Americans.