The Democrat Thread

[StrangeSox]

A lot of Republican candidates are jumping on the "end birthright citizenship/amend the 14th amendment" bandwagon.

 

On Sunday, business mogul Donald Trump came out in support of ending birthright citizenship — and on Monday, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker joined him.

 

Ohio Gov. John Kasich said recently that he didn’t think the party needed to go that far in trying to crack down on illegal immigration. But during his run for governor in 2010, according to the Columbus Dispatch, he reiterated his longtime support for ending birthright citizenship.

 

When Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul first ran for the Senate in 2010, he said he didn’t “think the 14th Amendment was meant to apply to illegal aliens.” He has since pushed for a constitutional amendment. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has said the issue needs to be re-examined as well.

 

Former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum has also stated his support for altering the 14th Amendment…

 

And on Monday night, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal joined the debate, tweeting, “We need to end birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants.”

 

Even South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, a longtime supporter of immigration reform, has called for a consideration of a change in the Constitution because he believes immigrants will simply “drop and leave” their kids in this country.

 

Taken together, that’s a solid chunk of the Republican field. And for a political party desperately trying to improve its standing with Hispanic and other minority voters, it could portend a damaging bend toward nativism.

[GoSox05]

Jimmy Carter says cancer has spread to his brain

[Balta1701]

Jimmy Carter says cancer has spread to his brain

(Dislike).

[StrangeSox]

 

The man has done phenomenal work after his Presidency. It looks like they're pretty close to eradicating the Guinea Worm, a pretty awful disease that Carter's foundation has worked on for decades.

[Cknolls]

Prayers go out to President Carter. Have some personal experience with brain cancer (glio blastoma) and it is not pretty. Hopefully melanoma is more treatable/ less invasive than glio blastoma...

[StrangeSox]

It's spread from his liver cancer that was announced last week, so I don't think the long-term prognosis is very good either way. Weeks/months.

[Jake]

I doubt any better human being has been elected POTUS than Jimmy Carter

[greg775]

The guest host on Limbaugh today was blasting Hilly for being a boring candidate with no positions, thus nothing to talk about except the email scandal.

She's doing exactly what I said she should be doing - nothing. All she has to do is hang out and watch everybody else fall up and down in the polls. If she just exists, she's going to have enough votes to be the next president. She doesn't have to say a damn thing, cause near the end is all that counts and at the end she'll still be standing. The system already has given her enough electoral college votes all she has to do is shut up and not get indicted.

Edited August 24, 2015 by greg775

[illinilaw08]

The guest host on Limbaugh today was blasting Hilly for being a boring candidate with no positions, thus nothing to talk about except the email scandal.

She's doing exactly what I said she should be doing - nothing. All she has to do is hang out and watch everybody else fall up and down in the polls. If she just exists, she's going to have enough votes to be the next president. She doesn't have to say a damn thing, cause near the end is all that counts and at the end she'll still be standing. The system already has given her enough electoral college votes all she has to do is shut up and not get indicted.

 

I'm not sure why the guest host on Limbaugh's opinion on Hillary Clinton should be given any weight...

[Balta1701]

I'm not sure why the guest host on Limbaugh's opinion on Hillary Clinton should be given any weight...

DEMOCRATS MUST CARE ABOUT RUSH LIMBAUGH'S SHOW AND LISTEN TO IT CONSTANTLY BECAUSE I SAY SO AND I'M GOING TO KEEP SAYING IT UNTIL YOU DO.

[Brian]

I doubt any better human being has been elected POTUS than Jimmy Carter

 

Did he start Habitat for Humanity or was it something he got involved with after term?

[Balta1701]

Did he start Habitat for Humanity or was it something he got involved with after term?

It officially started in 1976 but he joined in 1984 and became their most well known proponent.

[greg775]

It officially started in 1976 but he joined in 1984 and became their most well known proponent.

He should get more credit for being one of the most upstanding individuals in the history of the world.

[Balta1701]

He should get more credit for being one of the most upstanding individuals in the history of the world.

He's never guest hosted for Rush Limbaugh. He's chopped liver.

[greg775]

He's never guest hosted for Rush Limbaugh. He's chopped liver.

Not real funny. I actually don't listen to Limbaugh a lot but have been turning him on in the car cause I wanted to hear his take on Hilly and Trump.

[greg775]

I keep reading that Biden running is a real possibility. He probably won't hurt Hillary's momentum enough to make it matter. But what do those of you who support Hilly unconditionally think of this development? My guess is you don't like it because the Hilly supporters I've met in Kansas don't want her "challenged" in any way. They love Bill. They love Hillary. Hell, they'd seriously support Chelsea after Hillary's eight years. They want Hillary in and that's that.

Please run, Mr. Biden! Don't let Hillary just walk into this without perverbial sweat.

Edited August 26, 2015 by greg775

[Balta1701]

I keep reading that Biden running is a real possibility. He probably won't hurt Hillary's momentum enough to make it matter. But what do those of you who support Hilly unconditionally think of this development? My guess is you don't like it because the Hilly supporters I've met in Kansas don't want her "challenged" in any way. They love Bill. They love Hillary. Hell, they'd seriously support Chelsea after Hillary's eight years. They want Hillary in and that's that.

Please run, Mr. Biden! Don't let Hillary just walk into this without perverbial sweat.

A real simple question with Joe Biden is "what role would he actually fill in this campaign?"

 

Is he going to ideologically tap into a group that isn't well served by the current major candidates? No. We've actually got a good spectrum from "Confederate Flags aren't that bad" to "guy who calls himself a socialist" and a good set in-between already represented.

 

Is he a better campaigner than any of the major candidates? No. Extremely gaffe prone, without the backing of outright racists like Trump has who overlook that stuff.

 

Could he come out with a policy proposal set that is significantly better than the current candidates? Maybe, but he's several years behind the curve in developing such policy proposals.

 

Is he going to outdo Hillary in fundraising or something else like that? Maybe could suck up some money, but certainly not going to outdo her when again she's got a 12 month+ head start.

 

What's the point of a Biden run? It's basically to pacify people who for some reason can't personally stand Hillary Clinton, like you. I'm ok with him meeting with some people about things, it's always nice to have a "backup plan" in case the "here's the floor plan to the structure in Benghazi and the key is under a fake rock to the left" email Republicans have been dreaming existed for 4 years actually did exist, but other than that, he'd hurt himself by getting in unnecessarily and there's no reason to think he'd be an improvement except for people like you who are actively considering voting for Donald Trump.

 

Not exactly a strong endorsement.

[StrangeSox]

those of you who support Hilly unconditionally

there must be a bunch of invisible posts that only greg can see

[StrangeSox]

A real simple question with Joe Biden is "what role would he actually fill in this campaign?"

 

Is he going to ideologically tap into a group that isn't well served by the current major candidates? No. We've actually got a good spectrum from "Confederate Flags aren't that bad" to "guy who calls himself a socialist" and a good set in-between already represented.

 

Is he a better campaigner than any of the major candidates? No. Extremely gaffe prone, without the backing of outright racists like Trump has who overlook that stuff.

 

Could he come out with a policy proposal set that is significantly better than the current candidates? Maybe, but he's several years behind the curve in developing such policy proposals.

 

Is he going to outdo Hillary in fundraising or something else like that? Maybe could suck up some money, but certainly not going to outdo her when again she's got a 12 month+ head start.

 

What's the point of a Biden run? It's basically to pacify people who for some reason can't personally stand Hillary Clinton, like you. I'm ok with him meeting with some people about things, it's always nice to have a "backup plan" in case the "here's the floor plan to the structure in Benghazi and the key is under a fake rock to the left" email Republicans have been dreaming existed for 4 years actually did exist, but other than that, he'd hurt himself by getting in unnecessarily and there's no reason to think he'd be an improvement except for people like you who are actively considering voting for Donald Trump.

 

Not exactly a strong endorsement.

 

I think O'Malley's running his campaign as that backup plan.

[greg775]

A real simple question with Joe Biden is "what role would he actually fill in this campaign?"

 

Is he going to ideologically tap into a group that isn't well served by the current major candidates? No. We've actually got a good spectrum from "Confederate Flags aren't that bad" to "guy who calls himself a socialist" and a good set in-between already represented.

 

Is he a better campaigner than any of the major candidates? No. Extremely gaffe prone, without the backing of outright racists like Trump has who overlook that stuff.

 

Could he come out with a policy proposal set that is significantly better than the current candidates? Maybe, but he's several years behind the curve in developing such policy proposals.

 

Is he going to outdo Hillary in fundraising or something else like that? Maybe could suck up some money, but certainly not going to outdo her when again she's got a 12 month+ head start.

 

What's the point of a Biden run? It's basically to pacify people who for some reason can't personally stand Hillary Clinton, like you. I'm ok with him meeting with some people about things, it's always nice to have a "backup plan" in case the "here's the floor plan to the structure in Benghazi and the key is under a fake rock to the left" email Republicans have been dreaming existed for 4 years actually did exist, but other than that, he'd hurt himself by getting in unnecessarily and there's no reason to think he'd be an improvement except for people like you who are actively considering voting for Donald Trump.

 

Not exactly a strong endorsement.

Excellent post IMO.

The one thing though you are missing IMO is the fact Joe is getting old, he doesn't have THAT many years left to live (once you hit 70 or so it's a crapshoot) and he personally MIGHT want to be president. I mean he's so close right now, why wouldn't you go for it?? No. 1, all these people have big egos and he can run for president and get in on the debates (if there ever are any Democratic debates) and he can be important one final time. He can be relevant and in the news all the way through the primaries. Maybe even longer than that if he's lucky or Hilly is unlucky. So my point is to your "what role would he actually fill in this campaign?" Well, he'd fill the role of trying to PERSONALLY be president. If Hilly screws up ... if Hillary is indicted later down the line ... if the press catches her up on something, he'd be there ready to mop up and win.

But as far as technicalities as they stand now ... you are right. He brings nothing to the table. He can't touch Hillary. But if she's indicted .... meet your next president, Joe Biden.

Edited August 27, 2015 by greg775

[southsider2k5]

A real simple question with Joe Biden is "what role would he actually fill in this campaign?"

 

Is he going to ideologically tap into a group that isn't well served by the current major candidates? No. We've actually got a good spectrum from "Confederate Flags aren't that bad" to "guy who calls himself a socialist" and a good set in-between already represented.

 

Is he a better campaigner than any of the major candidates? No. Extremely gaffe prone, without the backing of outright racists like Trump has who overlook that stuff.

 

Could he come out with a policy proposal set that is significantly better than the current candidates? Maybe, but he's several years behind the curve in developing such policy proposals.

 

Is he going to outdo Hillary in fundraising or something else like that? Maybe could suck up some money, but certainly not going to outdo her when again she's got a 12 month+ head start.

 

What's the point of a Biden run? It's basically to pacify people who for some reason can't personally stand Hillary Clinton, like you. I'm ok with him meeting with some people about things, it's always nice to have a "backup plan" in case the "here's the floor plan to the structure in Benghazi and the key is under a fake rock to the left" email Republicans have been dreaming existed for 4 years actually did exist, but other than that, he'd hurt himself by getting in unnecessarily and there's no reason to think he'd be an improvement except for people like you who are actively considering voting for Donald Trump.

Not exactly a strong endorsement.

 

Sounds a lot like his political career to me.

[greg775]

Just listened to 40 minute interview with Bernie Sanders. I thought he was pretty boring and had an annoying voice (listen, these things do matter in this day and age). However, I did like what he said about reforming the election process. It's simply insane that Hillary can raise 1 billion dollars for her campaign and Jebbie raise a ton and Trump raise as much to rival the national debt. It guarantees we have Presidents who will let the wealthiest top five percent run our country and have the middle class be stifled and stuck in the muck as always. I like that Bernie baby wants to raise minimum wage big time, make college FREE at public universities and I loved his comment that Social Security is fine and it is an insult that some candidates want to make people work til they are 69 or 70.

 

Let me say this ... it would be FINE to have people work that long, if f***ING businesses would hire people over 50. Age discrimination in this country is now rampant because businesses do not want to pay a living wage. So most businesses hire folks right out of college til they hit 40 and start making money, then they DUMP THEM.

The American dream is not to have a good (not great in terms of salary) job like teacher, businessman, accountant, and get laid off at 60, then have to end your career working as an Uber driver, starter at a golf course (if you are lucky enough to get that job), or fast food pusher til u are 69.

I liked some things Bernie baby said. Ms. Hillary is NOT for the middle class, folks!!! Give Bernie a look. I'll have to explore Biden's stance on issues as well.

Edited August 28, 2015 by greg775

[StrangeSox]

Work manual labor for 45 years and see if your body will even let you keep working until 70.

[Balta1701]

Work manual labor for 45 years and see if your body will even let you keep working until 70.

My mom could barely walk by her early 60s and she was just a teacher. If she didn't have a solid pension to fall back on she'd probably have been teaching for 5 years from a chair.

[StrangeSox]

this is awful

 

Hungarian police arrest driver of lorry that had 71 dead migrants inside