The Democrat Thread

[lasttriptotulsa]

I probably worded that wrong. You can't deny an huge majority of Democrats want to "coronate" Hillary cause she's put in her time during her lifetime and "deserves" the honor. Problem is ... didn't equally brazen Bob Dole "deserve" the honor? He didn't get a sniff.

 

I don't think that's necessarily true. The DNC has done a lot to help a Clinton victory, but at least in my circles the majority of the Democrats I know are for Sanders. He really has captured the youth vote amongst Democrats.

[greg775]

I think that claim is pretty delusional. A majority of Democrats, at least as of now, support Clinton as the nominee. That doesn't mean they want to "coronate" her.

I've been blabbering about my hatred for Hillary forever on here and yet no Democrat has actually told me why they like her? No obvious support for her positions (what positions, queen of flip flop), no obvious defense of my attacks on her mean-ness, no nothing. It's as if they are saying, "Hey I want Hillary, OK???" I think my claim is accurate. It's Hillary's turn and as Kate McKinnon said on SNL, "LET ME LEAD!"

[StrangeSox]

Perhaps because there isn't really anyone here of the grand total of maybe a dozen regular posters who have her as their preferred candidate?

 

edit: jesus that sentence is a grammatical nightmare

Edited October 14, 2015 by StrangeSox

[greg775]

The big reason for this is that they are not finding the jobs that they WANT. There are plenty of jobs out there. The problem is that when kids are in high school everybody says you need to go to college. How many jobs do these young people think are out there for somebody with a political science degree or an art degree? If you graduate college in a strong field the jobs are there.

 

Interesting post. I have no knowledge so I can't comment. Your comment intrigues me. Are young people really majoring in art and Poly Sci? I mean cmon. Badger might tell us ... are there tons of jobs for young lawyers? What about nurses and doctors? Anybody know? What about architecture and engineering and geology? The article I read said 22-29 year old grads couldn't find work and the over 50s, forgetaboutit. Companies want to keep salaries down, hence are undervaluing the 30-49 crowd.

[Chisoxfn]

Interesting post. I have no knowledge so I can't comment. Your comment intrigues me. Are young people really majoring in art and Poly Sci? I mean cmon. Badger might tell us ... are there tons of jobs for young lawyers? What about nurses and doctors? Anybody know? What about architecture and engineering and geology? The article I read said 22-29 year old grads couldn't find work and the over 50s, forgetaboutit. Companies want to keep salaries down, hence are undervaluing the 30-49 crowd.

Their are massive amounts of jobs and a major need for nursing so I can comment on that. Similarly, I think their are major needs for doctors. That said, just cause you want to be a DR, doesn't mean you can be, most people aren't smart enough and even if you are, their are plenty who are smart enough but don't want to be doctors (and instead want to be engineers or lawyers or whatever else). Similarly I think their are still a lot of lucrative jobs in the areas of IT security / programming and I would think IT security is just going to continue to get more lucrative (data / network security is critical to prevent the negative PR blunders that come with data breaches, let alone the actual impacts from data breaches or hackers shutting down networks).

[lasttriptotulsa]

Interesting post. I have no knowledge so I can't comment. Your comment intrigues me. Are young people really majoring in art and Poly Sci? I mean cmon. Badger might tell us ... are there tons of jobs for young lawyers? What about nurses and doctors? Anybody know? What about architecture and engineering and geology? The article I read said 22-29 year old grads couldn't find work and the over 50s, forgetaboutit. Companies want to keep salaries down, hence are undervaluing the 30-49 crowd.

 

I worked at Wal-Mart when I was in Engineering school. You wouldn't believe how many of my coworkers there had history, chemistry, poli sci, music, art, (none of which wanted to be teachers) etc. degrees. So many people think that just because you have a degree that somebody is going to hire you and pay you a good salary. Go into a strong field, do well in school, work hard and you will find a job. Just don't have a sense of entitlement just because you have a degree.

[LDF]

Their are massive amounts of jobs and a major need for nursing so I can comment on that. Similarly, I think their are major needs for doctors. That said, just cause you want to be a DR, doesn't mean you can be, most people aren't smart enough and even if you are, their are plenty who are smart enough but don't want to be doctors (and instead want to be engineers or lawyers or whatever else). Similarly I think their are still a lot of lucrative jobs in the areas of IT security / programming and I would think IT security is just going to continue to get more lucrative (data / network security is critical to prevent the negative PR blunders that come with data breaches, let alone the actual impacts from data breaches or hackers shutting down networks).

 

ref nurses.... and i am talking about sw tx and LA. the hospital are hiring cna or nurses that are but several yrs with their degree. they the hospital are trying to max out the profits of billing.

 

i know b/c i have many friends who mother's had degrees and now do not have a job for what ever reason, doctors offices does the same thing.

 

teachers.... that is even worst in LA... the country lost education per st.... b/c of what the schools want to pay teachers.

 

but LA is the sport man capital and they all love hunting, fishing, drinking....

[illinilaw08]

Interesting post. I have no knowledge so I can't comment. Your comment intrigues me. Are young people really majoring in art and Poly Sci? I mean cmon. Badger might tell us ... are there tons of jobs for young lawyers? What about nurses and doctors? Anybody know? What about architecture and engineering and geology? The article I read said 22-29 year old grads couldn't find work and the over 50s, forgetaboutit. Companies want to keep salaries down, hence are undervaluing the 30-49 crowd.

 

Student loan debt is a huge problem for lawyers and doctors. There are jobs out there, but the top maybe 5% of law school graduates get the big firm jobs that pay a lot (and have plenty of other downsides). I make a solid wage, but the effective rate of the income is significantly reduced because of the law school debt I'm carrying.

 

As to the other stuff, entry level jobs that used to require a high school diploma now require a college degree. And that includes jobs like "administrative assistant." So while there are jobs out there, it's tough to repay student loans on an entry level salary of below $30k annually. If you don't standout in college, or you aren't majoring in a specialized field (many examples already in this thread), you are getting entry level work at low pay.

[LDF]

Student loan debt is a huge problem for lawyers and doctors. There are jobs out there, but the top maybe 5% of law school graduates get the big firm jobs that pay a lot (and have plenty of other downsides). I make a solid wage, but the effective rate of the income is significantly reduced because of the law school debt I'm carrying.

 

As to the other stuff, entry level jobs that used to require a high school diploma now require a college degree. And that includes jobs like "administrative assistant." So while there are jobs out there, it's tough to repay student loans on an entry level salary of below $30k annually. If you don't standout in college, or you aren't majoring in a specialized field (many examples already in this thread), you are getting entry level work at low pay.

 

and with the huge amount of casinos in my area, there are a huge market for the ladies of the evening, so to speak.

 

teachers and nurses take side jobs here to get a way to make ends meet.

[StrangeSox]

There's actually a pretty big glut of lawyers out there right now. There was a big boom of law school openings and enrollment in the 2000's.

 

Sometimes, what's the "hot new field" when you start college isn't looking so great 5-10 years later and you can struggle to find work. And it's also somewhat of a zero-sum game; if everyone goes and gets a STEM degree, the job market will be flooded with people looking for STEM jobs, depressing wages for everyone and leaving some unable to find a matching job at all.

[Jenksismyhero]

I worked at Wal-Mart when I was in Engineering school. You wouldn't believe how many of my coworkers there had history, chemistry, poli sci, music, art, (none of which wanted to be teachers) etc. degrees. So many people think that just because you have a degree that somebody is going to hire you and pay you a good salary. Go into a strong field, do well in school, work hard and you will find a job. Just don't have a sense of entitlement just because you have a degree.

 

And now people want to add XX tens of millions to those numbers of people with worthless degrees and few jobs to fill them. And neither Clinton nor Sanders have really explained how they plan to pay for it.

[LDF]

There's actually a pretty big glut of lawyers out there right now. There was a big boom of law school openings and enrollment in the 2000's.

 

Sometimes, what's the "hot new field" when you start college isn't looking so great 5-10 years later and you can struggle to find work. And it's also somewhat of a zero-sum game; if everyone goes and gets a STEM degree, the job market will be flooded with people looking for STEM jobs, depressing wages for everyone and leaving some unable to find a matching job at all.

 

here was a community research done by the mayor last yr in our community.

 

we have a huge push for a need in young men and women in the oil industry. but if you have a police record, forget about it. now the us / oil industry is getting asian people, south aftricans, phillipines and anywhere else to fill these positions. over 10,000 last yr alone making at least 70 k's per.

 

all the while lawyers has a mass exodus of them leaving to the bigger cities.

[Jenksismyhero]

There's actually a pretty big glut of lawyers out there right now. There was a big boom of law school openings and enrollment in the 2000's.

 

Sometimes, what's the "hot new field" when you start college isn't looking so great 5-10 years later and you can struggle to find work. And it's also somewhat of a zero-sum game; if everyone goes and gets a STEM degree, the job market will be flooded with people looking for STEM jobs, depressing wages for everyone and leaving some unable to find a matching job at all.

 

[LDF]

And now people want to add XX tens of millions to those numbers of people with worthless degrees and few jobs to fill them. And neither Clinton nor Sanders have really explained how they plan to pay for it.

 

it is the rep vs the demo and as long as they keep trying to point the finger and that is their platform, pointing the finger .....

 

nothing well ever get fixed. accept it.

 

the mass public attention span is 2 weeks.

 

 

ronald reagan.

[NorthSideSox72]

yeah, my father retired as an attorney a few years back. He did quite well, but he was clear with me in my high school / college years that he wouldn't recommend the field, and it only got worse later. He would tell me in the last decade or two that it was nearly impossible to make partner anywhere anymore, and even just getting a job in private law was very tough. Which is odd when you think of how litigious society has become, but apparently (as you said) there was just a huge wave of law school grads added to the system.

 

A lot of lawyers find corner market jobs now. Like FBI, or contract work with firms that specialize in surge needs.

 

[Jenksismyhero]

Student loan debt is a huge problem for lawyers and doctors. There are jobs out there, but the top maybe 5% of law school graduates get the big firm jobs that pay a lot (and have plenty of other downsides). I make a solid wage, but the effective rate of the income is significantly reduced because of the law school debt I'm carrying.

 

Sounds familiar!

 

 

[LDF]

 

i wouldn't know, i am just talking about them leaving the community, i also heard a lot are going to colleges and to continue with something to get a phd or something. to teach.

 

Colleges in the St of LA

 

[Jenksismyhero]

yeah, my father retired as an attorney a few years back. He did quite well, but he was clear with me in my high school / college years that he wouldn't recommend the field, and it only got worse later. He would tell me in the last decade or two that it was nearly impossible to make partner anywhere anymore, and even just getting a job in private law was very tough. Which is odd when you think of how litigious society has become, but apparently (as you said) there was just a huge wave of law school grads added to the system.

 

A lot of lawyers find corner market jobs now. Like FBI, or contract work with firms that specialize in surge needs.

 

I keep praying that once my loans are paid off (2030ish!) i'll see the "value" of having gone to law school. We'll see. The guys that really make it (1) go to top level schools and get the big firm jobs, (2) network like crazy, (3) have their own book of business that provides value to the firm. Unless you're lucky, that takes years to develop enough relationships to do that.

[Chisoxfn]

yeah, my father retired as an attorney a few years back. He did quite well, but he was clear with me in my high school / college years that he wouldn't recommend the field, and it only got worse later. He would tell me in the last decade or two that it was nearly impossible to make partner anywhere anymore, and even just getting a job in private law was very tough. Which is odd when you think of how litigious society has become, but apparently (as you said) there was just a huge wave of law school grads added to the system.

 

A lot of lawyers find corner market jobs now. Like FBI, or contract work with firms that specialize in surge needs.

A critical component is where you went to school. I have a lot of friends who went into law and a lot who struggled, typically those that struggled went to the lower end schools (I'll call them the online schools even though they aren't but they are in my eyes the equivalent of an online school). Those that graduated with good grades from the bigger schools, did what you'd expect (i.e., got good jobs at mid to large firms, eventually went private sector and make good money), those that didn't, if they got really good grades, they did alright, if you didn't get really good grades / have the right personality, holy s*** you are screwed. The cost is the same for the turd school vs the elite school and you end up getting a job for 35-40K (if you are lucky...and that is after a few years of trying) and while that is fine and dandy if you got an undergrad at a state school and are just starting out, but when you had a cost of $150K+ (plus any undergrad debt), you really are digging an early hole for yourself (when trying to do more).

 

The chief flaw is in those schools who reaped major economic benefits and robbed people blindly. In fact, a lot of those law schools are now getting sued by former students for the false claims / pretense that were made. They totally fed off of people who were looking to take a step forward and often times were first generation lawyers and didn't have the perspective of what the industry was really like and how difficult it would be (in the current environment) to make it from the smaller schools.

 

My rule of thumb...undergrad, save the money and get good grades at a state school...major in a skill (something others can't do or isn't easily thought...ie, something that differentiates you from other candidates without that specialty...so major in accounting of finance vs. management or some form of engineering) and then if you are going to spend your money, spend it when you get a masters but only do so if you are going to a top program (or your company is paying and you get an immediate benefit).

[farmteam]

yeah, my father retired as an attorney a few years back. He did quite well, but he was clear with me in my high school / college years that he wouldn't recommend the field, and it only got worse later. He would tell me in the last decade or two that it was nearly impossible to make partner anywhere anymore, and even just getting a job in private law was very tough. Which is odd when you think of how litigious society has become, but apparently (as you said) there was just a huge wave of law school grads added to the system.

 

[b[A lot of lawyers find corner market jobs now. Like FBI, or contract work with firms that specialize in surge needs.[/b]

I was lucky enough to find a job with a law firm, but I've learned litigation isn't for me. I've looked at energy trading and renewable energy site development, but those can be hard to break into.

 

Point is, all that is made difficult because of the amount of law school debt I have. I can't just leave for any job, has to be something that pays enough. Don't go to law school, kids!

[bmags]

I'd imagine the unemployment rate for people with law degrees is probably very low (regardless of whether they became a partner).

 

in some demographics, the unemployment rates are 20+%, median incomes in the $10,000 - $16,000 range. So the "got a law degree and ended up doing x and paying off student loans" is probably incredible progress.

 

Re: STEM degrees just overloading with students and can't finding jobs - 1) doesn't require advanced degrees with higher debt 2) having that skill still means you can do a lot of things!

 

I guess my point is, they aren't speaking to you.

[caulfield12]

At my international school in China (average SAT score's in the 2100 range), all of the students are doing physics and chemistry in middle school...

 

Seeing the quality of work at that age level, there's almost no way that all but the best American students can compete in STEM subject areas against the Chinese and Indians (to a lesser extent). IT/Computer Science tends to be a bit harder to master, because of the language barriers, fwiw. I think nobody in the entire school got an A or 4 or 5 for A levels/AP. Just getting a 5/7 in IB Computer Science HL is a minor miracle.

 

And, of course, those students tend to be more hungry/motivated and willing to work for less to get their foot in the door.

[Real]

So, does CNN get paid by Clinton? Holy crapola, their home page has been a love fest for her all day long. I mean, she did well, but I honestly think O'Malley and maybe Sanders did more positive for themselves than she did.

 

CNN is owned by Time Warner, who is one of her largest donors.

[Real]

I also love how the question to the panel regarding Hilary voting FOR war in Iraq was "she said it was a mistake. isn't that enough?"

 

but the question about Sanders voting AGAINST the Vietnam War was basically "So he voted against Vietnam, can he really be commander in chief?"

 

LOL are you fking kidding me?

Edited October 15, 2015 by Real

[StrangeSox]

Ben Carson is taking two weeks off from campaigning in order to go on a book tour.

 

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-carson-...ory?id=34481847

 

It is 3 months from the Iowa caucuses, and Trump and Carson still hold a huge lead in the Republican primaries.