DukeNukeEm Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 So Iran is forward thinking, yet they publicly executed two teenage boys for being gay last year? Whoa, here we go with isolated incidents. This can go both ways you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 02:38 PM) You get that from Sean Hannity or Bill O'Rielly? Nice diversion. You are the one who starting the name calling, it makes it kinda hard to effectively cry when someone else calls you on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 03:38 PM) You get that from Sean Hannity or Bill O'Rielly? Republican Thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 02:39 PM) Whoa, here we go with isolated incidents. This can go both ways you know? Kinda like being forward thinking on stem-cell research meaning that he is a guy who isn't in control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 03:39 PM) Whoa, here we go with isolated incidents. This can go both ways you know? That's not really isolated at all, s*** like that happens all the time in Iran because their domestic policy is so ultraconservative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 03:39 PM) Whoa, here we go with isolated incidents. This can go both ways you know? Isolated incident? This wasn't some tribal event. They were sentenced by the Court system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 That has nothing to do with nuclear deterrence. It has totally to do with technology. Haha you're telling me weapons have become less lethal over time? You couldn't be more wrong. Recent wars are less deadly because they are coming nowhere near pre-1945 conflicts in scale and scope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 02:41 PM) Haha you're telling me weapons have become less lethal over time? You couldn't be more wrong. Recent wars are less deadly because they are coming nowhere near pre-1945 conflicts in scale and scope. Right, I understand that. But wars now also call for a hell of a lot less people because of the technologies involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Republican Thread... Laying claim to those two hurts your argument more than helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 03:42 PM) Laying claim to those two hurts your argument more than helps. I'm saying this is the wrong place to argue so strongly, and it's worth its own thread if you guys want to debate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 03:42 PM) Right, I understand that. But wars now also call for a hell of a lot less people because of the technologies involved. Speed, navigation, reconnaissance, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 That's not really isolated at all, s*** like that happens all the time in Iran because their domestic policy is so ultraconservative. I mean really here, you can pull this kind of s*** out for any country. Israel has basically adopted killing civilians as a foreign policy, China executes people for unfair business practices, the list pretty much never ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I'm saying this is the wrong place to argue so strongly, and it's worth its own thread if you guys want to debate it. Class at 3:35. But I wouldn't mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 02:45 PM) I mean really here, you can pull this kind of s*** out for any country. Israel has basically adopted killing civilians as a foreign policy, China executes people for unfair business practices, the list pretty much never ends. I don't recall the US or any place in Europe being so progressive as to execute gays for being gay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 02:46 PM) Class at 3:35. But I wouldn't mind. Damn it. (I'm just messin'...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I don't recall the US or any place in Europe being so progressive as to execute gays for being gay. Our methods are definitely less direct, but to say people haven't been killed by the Western world for ridiculous reasons is a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 02:49 PM) Our methods are definitely less direct, but to say people haven't been killed by the Western world for ridiculous reasons is a lie. Individuals and governmental organizations is two completely different things. Let us not lose sight of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cknolls Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21613.html Transparency and change part 10. Nothing to see here...move along.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 03:42 PM) Right, I understand that. But wars now also call for a hell of a lot less people because of the technologies involved. Exactly. For example, when you can build a weapon designed to not detonate until it is "safely" inside of a building, thus causing an implosion of the structure and limited outside damage. Also, UAV's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 03:49 PM) Our methods are definitely less direct, but to say people haven't been killed by the Western world for ridiculous reasons is a lie. But it is not government sponsored. We left that stuff die out (no pun intended) in the 17th-18th centuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 But it is not government sponsored. We left that stuff die out (no pun intended) in the 17th-18th centuries. There's a laundry list of mass-killings that have been a result of the CIA's canoondling around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 This man is an embarrassment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 Anyone mention yet how the Obama administration only released the papers showing what type of interrogation techniques we used, while they refuse to release the papers showing how many lives were saved and terrorist attacks were stopped because of these interrogation techniques. That's kinda odd, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 06:38 PM) Anyone mention yet how the Obama administration only released the papers showing what type of interrogation techniques we used, while they refuse to release the papers showing how many lives were saved and terrorist attacks were stopped because of these interrogation techniques. That's kinda odd, huh? Not in the least. The specific documents that were released came out based on an FOIA act request by the ACLU and multiple court orders requiring their release. The only thing that was their decision is how much to attempt to redact, and if they redacted too much, they'd risk having another court order them to un-redact a good chunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted April 24, 2009 Share Posted April 24, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 23, 2009 -> 09:01 PM) Not in the least. The specific documents that were released came out based on an FOIA act request by the ACLU and multiple court orders requiring their release. The only thing that was their decision is how much to attempt to redact, and if they redacted too much, they'd risk having another court order them to un-redact a good chunk. Oh, so our ACLU friends only wanted to know only "relevant" information so that they could go after Bush Administration people? How nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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