lostfan Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 04:04 PM) lf, it's not what he said in the speech today, it was what he said in a presser yesterday. I will have to go see if I can find the link, since I just cleared my cookies and cache. Grrr. Ok I might have to take back what I said. There's 2 fathers he could be talking about though, I think his biological father (left when he was 2, wasn't in his life) was the Muslim one, and the one his mother married was the atheist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 03:07 PM) Grrr. Ok I might have to take back what I said. There's 2 fathers he could be talking about though, I think his biological father (left when he was 2, wasn't in his life) was the Muslim one, and the one his mother married was the atheist. Sorry - didn't mean to lead you down the wrong path. I posted this yesterday before the speech today. What he said today wasn't what I was trying to point out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 04:11 PM) Sorry - didn't mean to lead you down the wrong path. I posted this yesterday before the speech today. What he said today wasn't what I was trying to point out. Well, in that case, I suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 4, 2009 Share Posted June 4, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 4, 2009 -> 03:19 PM) Well, in that case, I suck. Me too. That's why I have the strawman now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 I can understand why some people might not mind abortion, but why does anyone support late term abortion (if the child and mother aren't in serious risk). It's sickening how all the far left media is making Tiller into some type or martyr, while they avoid reporting about the asshole islamic terrorist who killed an army recruiter (and if they do report it, they'll forget to mention he's black and a muslim terrorist). I mean, I'm sorry Tiller got assassinated and in all of places in a church with probably his friends and family, but this guy was a bum who would kill any baby for 5 grand, and he deserved to be in jail. And now the media is blaming Fox News and talk radio for Tiller's death? What crap. Fine, conservatives are to blame for Tiller's death. But that means NBC and far left media is to blame for the Army Recruiters death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 5, 2009 -> 09:46 PM) I can understand why some people might not mind abortion, but why does anyone support late term abortion (if the child and mother aren't in serious risk). It's sickening how all the far left media is making Tiller into some type or martyr, while they avoid reporting about the asshole islamic terrorist who killed an army recruiter (and if they do report it, they'll forget to mention he's black and a muslim terrorist). I mean, I'm sorry Tiller got assassinated and in all of places in a church with probably his friends and family, but this guy was a bum who would kill any baby for 5 grand, and he deserved to be in jail. And now the media is blaming Fox News and talk radio for Tiller's death? What crap. Fine, conservatives are to blame for Tiller's death. But that means NBC and far left media is to blame for the Army Recruiters death. Yeah, I really don't get this one either. I mean, even Fox isn't talking about it, WTF? Edited June 6, 2009 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 6, 2009 -> 12:58 AM) Yeah, I really don't get this one either. I mean, even Fox isn't talking about it, WTF? Good point. BTW, I want to steal your line that you stole on facebook about being wrong. That's a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 6, 2009 -> 12:58 AM) Yeah, I really don't get this one either. I mean, even Fox isn't talking about it, WTF? Beck hasn't talked about it at all... all he talks about lately is acorn. O'Reilly has talked about it the past couple days though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 6, 2009 -> 01:17 AM) Beck hasn't talked about it at all... all he talks about lately is acorn. O'Reilly has talked about it the past couple days though. Glenn Beck has started to make Sean Hannity look like a damn liberal. He's become a crying, flaming idiot. And I'm not a Hannity fan, either. He's straight GOP talking points man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 I like Beck. He really dislikes both sides, and he has done some good work with showing how big of a scam acorn is. He's over the top a lot, and quite crazy, but he's a true conservative, and he doesn't play the fence like O'Reilly does a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkey Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 Ok, the MSM has now declared that flip-flopping is OK, because the Messiah is doing it, for our own good. Just check out the headline! Too funny. Obama's Flip-Flops for the Public Good http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/20090604/ts...orthepublicgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 6, 2009 -> 10:27 AM) Ok, the MSM has now declared that flip-flopping is OK, because the Messiah is doing it, for our own good. Just check out the headline! Too funny. http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/20090604/ts...orthepublicgood That article sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 6, 2009 Share Posted June 6, 2009 QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 6, 2009 -> 02:34 AM) I like Beck. He really dislikes both sides, and he has done some good work with showing how big of a scam acorn is. He's over the top a lot, and quite crazy, but he's a true conservative, and he doesn't play the fence like O'Reilly does a lot. O'Reilly doesn't really play the fence, that's just who he is. He gets thrown into the same sentence as Hannity and Limbaugh a lot but that's not really accurate or fair to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted June 7, 2009 Share Posted June 7, 2009 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jun 6, 2009 -> 10:27 AM) Ok, the MSM has now declared that flip-flopping is OK, because the Messiah is doing it, for our own good. Just check out the headline! Too funny. http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnews/20090604/ts...orthepublicgood That isn't a news article - its a feature piece by a US News and World Report writer. Bias in opinion articles is irrelevant. When its a NEWS article, then it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 Trying to squeeze every taxable dollar out of you. I love the redistribution of wealth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 01:06 PM) Trying to squeeze every taxable dollar out of you. I love the redistribution of wealth. And rationing. It's going to be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 8, 2009 Share Posted June 8, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 11:28 AM) And rationing. It's going to be great. Thankfully, no one is rationing health care right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 01:06 PM) Trying to squeeze every taxable dollar out of you. I love the redistribution of wealth. that is messed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 7, 2009 -> 06:53 PM) That isn't a news article - its a feature piece by a US News and World Report writer. Bias in opinion articles is irrelevant. When its a NEWS article, then it matters. i wouldn't say irrelevant. constant ond sided bias within a publications pages shows systemic bias. the news coverage is likely biased as well in these cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 06:56 PM) Thankfully, no one is rationing health care right now. I know, the government can always do it better. Every time this is asked of you, you can't come up with an answer. Name me what would universally be called a good entitlement government program that is ran efficiently and doesn't cost more then they originally said it would - while still maintaining all the services that are promised. Private industry ALWAYS does it better then the government - even if private industry sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 01:06 PM) Trying to squeeze every taxable dollar out of you. I love the redistribution of wealth. Hey, at least we won't have to wait months for medical care... oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 09:33 PM) I know, the government can always do it better. Every time this is asked of you, you can't come up with an answer. Name me what would universally be called a good entitlement government program that is ran efficiently and doesn't cost more then they originally said it would - while still maintaining all the services that are promised. Private industry ALWAYS does it better then the government - even if private industry sucks. I'm more concerned with fixing this particular private industry, it's hilarious how bold they are about ripping us off without the slightest concern for consequences or backlash. The costs need to get under control, and more people will be able to afford it. Admittedly I don't know how to do that, but I'm not in a position where I should, either. Edited June 9, 2009 by lostfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 06:33 PM) I know, the government can always do it better. Every time this is asked of you, you can't come up with an answer. Name me what would universally be called a good entitlement government program that is ran efficiently and doesn't cost more then they originally said it would - while still maintaining all the services that are promised. Private industry ALWAYS does it better then the government - even if private industry sucks. Social Security and Medicare. And the VA health system. And everyone else's nationalized health care systems. You're obviously going to argue those points, but I'll focus on these key details. The VA health care system is essentially the best-run health care system in the country. Lowest costs, highest satisfaction in surveys. Medicare is facing the same cost explosion private industry has given us, but it does so with dramatically lower overhead costs. Social Security has a built in flaw that every so often needs to be fixed - its designed that the intial payouts increase more than the rate of inflation over time, such that it requires a certain increase in productivity to avoid issues...but it also supplies people with a guaranteed, stable retirement system with very, very low administrative costs compared to any other retirement plan out there. And every other health care system in the developed world spends something like 2/3 to 1/2 the amount ours does while producing results that are at least equal and are in many cases vastly better, while not leaving 20% of its population out in the cold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Read about this on TPM. Check out Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) and his Twitter. He's harder to understand than Gage, but apparently he does all of these. http://twitter.com/ChuckGrassley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 8, 2009 -> 08:59 PM) I'm more concerned with fixing this particular private industry, it's hilarious how bold they are about ripping us off without the slightest concern for consequences or backlash. how do you suggest we force the health care industry to lower their outrageous prices? Edited June 9, 2009 by mr_genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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