StrangeSox Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Ok, fair enough. I just want to make it clear that I was honestly not trying to disparage or belittle the protests when I posted that article. It seems like a pretty basic re-telling of a couple of facts about what was going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 I'm actually pretty happy these protests are going on. Now, some of the crowd of course will be whack-jobs, as with any protest of any kind. But the general idea that the government is spending too much money and trying to intrude where it shouldn't, I agree with. Of course, there were protests just like this one, but protesting the Iraq War, back in 2003-ish. And they were bigger than this (I am seeing "thousands" as the description of this one, which is pretty vague) it appears. I agreed with that too. My annoyance though, is with the bulk of people I see getting all upset about us spending $900B over 10 years on health care reform, and yet many of those same people had no issue with going into a fully unjustified and useless war that killed thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of others and cost MORE THAN THAT. All told, I think the damage done by overspending on health care is a hell of a lot less harmful than overspending to go to war for no good reason. Just my view. In any case, I like protests. I like that people voice their opinions, even if I disagree with some of them. And I'd like to see the current Dem Congress try to get the message on this overspending (and yes, I think its a lot more on them than on Obama). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 04:56 PM) maybe i know they banned anything ads that were critical of moveon.org http://www.examiner.com/a-983100~Robert_Co...On_org_ads.html and donated a lot to Obama. You can say 'librul' all you want, but they are pro-Obama. which is fine, they can be pro-whatever they want as far as I'm concerned as long as they don't get special treatment from the White House And if you read the article you linked, you'll see why they took down the ads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 NSS, I agree with that 100%. My biggest concern with this bill is that I really don't buy their cost-saving explanations for how they will pay for it. I wish the opposition would focus on more substantive criticisms like that than ZOMG DEATH PANEL crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 05:05 PM) And if you read the article you linked, you'll see why they took down the ads. are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 05:04 PM) And they were bigger than this (I am seeing "thousands" as the description of this one, which is pretty vague) it appears. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2...aws.html?cat=62 Saturday, September 12th, a crowd estimated from 450,000 people to 1.2 million people marched on Washington to protest government tax and spending policies. The Tax Payers' March on Washington was the culmination of the tea party movement. The 450,000 person figure was an estimate from Freedom Works, one of the sponsors of the protest march. The 1.2 million person figure is reportedly an estimate from the Capitol Police. there's a lot of em. i would imagine the capital police would be pretty good at estimating this type of stuff. the pictures of the crowd i've seen are actually pretty impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 05:14 PM) http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2...aws.html?cat=62 there's a lot of em. i would imagine the capital police would be pretty good at estimating this type of stuff. the pictures of the crowd i've seen are actually pretty impressive LOL, hover over the "crowd estimated at" link in that article. It goes to, I kid you not, rightwingnuthouse.com. Anyway, like I said, I'm happy its going on. Might be more or less, but probably similar in size, to the larger Iraq War protest crowds that were in the 100-200k range. And as it happens, I agree in principle with both groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 05:20 PM) it's the AP, they don't like this. linking that is very telling. No, its the AC, whatever the heck that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 05:17 PM) LOL, hover over the "crowd estimated at" link in that article. It goes to, I kid you not, rightwingnuthouse.com. Anyway, like I said, I'm happy its going on. Might be more or less, but probably similar in size, to the larger Iraq War protest crowds that were in the 100-200k range. And as it happens, I agree in principle with both groups. the capital police are in on the vast right wing conspiracy. damn you John McCain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 05:21 PM) No, its the AC, whatever the heck that is. google should block them, makes people think AP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 05:22 PM) google should block them, makes people think AP Yeah, I have to admit, I thought that too at first, then clicked around and realized not. Its kinda like those fliers you get in the mail, telling you that your car warranty is almost up and you should extend it - complete with font and icons that look JUST LIKE Ford or GM stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Supposedly the DC Police have released an estimate of 60,000-70,000 people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 04:12 PM) WOW QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 08:46 PM) Supposedly the DC Police have released an estimate of 60,000-70,000 people. LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Having been to Inauguration Day I can say that unless you're looking at a satellite image you really can't get 1-1.5 million people in one shot. DC was basically shut down for Inauguration Day. Was the Mall full? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 10:19 PM) Having been to Inauguration Day I can say that unless you're looking at a satellite image you really can't get 1-1.5 million people in one shot. DC was basically shut down for Inauguration Day. Was the Mall full? If that is the case, the estimates for Taste of Chicago are about a factor of 10 too high, because that's about how many people get called a million for the fireworks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostfan Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 11:21 PM) If that is the case, the estimates for Taste of Chicago are about a factor of 10 too high, because that's about how many people get called a million for the fireworks. That's a little different because we're talking some more open space around Grant Park and such. How many were there for Obama's acceptance speech? A couple hundred thousand wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 10:29 PM) That's a little different because we're talking some more open space around Grant Park and such. How many were there for Obama's acceptance speech? A couple hundred thousand wasn't it? I also don't think the distance lengthwise is anywhere near as much as is shown there. We are talking about something like half a mile of length. That pic looked longer than that to me judging by the building sizes there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 04:12 PM) WOW I wonder when that photo was taken since it shows a flag at half staff. If you look at the live camera of that street the flag is normal: http://www.trafficland.com/city/WAS/camera/9087/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 There were a lot of flags yesterday into this morning flown at half staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 QUOTE (kapkomet @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 09:39 PM) There were a lot of flags yesterday into this morning flown at half staff. Later in the day when people checked that flag was suddenly at full staff. Anyway...a typical football stadium is what, 60-70,000? If you emptied all of a football stadium in to one street as a march, and then allowed people to spread out enough to hold signs, how would it look? Wouldn't that fill up a street? Maybe they're off by some amount, maybe the march had 100,000 but it's probably not an order of magnitude. And anyway, 100,000 turned out for a rally that seems to have no specific motivation (we don't like Obama! doesn't count) isn't exactly shabby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 QUOTE (mr_genius @ Sep 12, 2009 -> 06:21 PM) the capital police are in on the vast right wing conspiracy. damn you John McCain! RACISTS!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2009 -> 04:32 PM) Later in the day when people checked that flag was suddenly at full staff. Anyway...a typical football stadium is what, 60-70,000? If you emptied all of a football stadium in to one street as a march, and then allowed people to spread out enough to hold signs, how would it look? Wouldn't that fill up a street? Maybe they're off by some amount, maybe the march had 100,000 but it's probably not an order of magnitude. And anyway, 100,000 turned out for a rally that seems to have no specific motivation (we don't like Obama! doesn't count) isn't exactly shabby. This is supposed to be a million people when it is full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2009 -> 04:32 PM) Later in the day when people checked that flag was suddenly at full staff. Anyway...a typical football stadium is what, 60-70,000? If you emptied all of a football stadium in to one street as a march, and then allowed people to spread out enough to hold signs, how would it look? Wouldn't that fill up a street? Maybe they're off by some amount, maybe the march had 100,000 but it's probably not an order of magnitude. And anyway, 100,000 turned out for a rally that seems to have no specific motivation (we don't like Obama! doesn't count) isn't exactly shabby. Ah yes, I'm sure it's some f***ing conspiracy. GMAFB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 I think its great to see so many people politically motivated for what is hopefully the right reasons, even if I disagree with their positions. That is if I could figure out what those positions were. The dude from FreedomWorks who was one of the organizers of the event said 450K and I'd take that number at their word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_genius Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Sep 13, 2009 -> 10:39 PM) I think its great to see so many people politically motivated for what is hopefully the right reasons, even if I disagree with their positions. That is if I could figure out what those positions were. The dude from FreedomWorks who was one of the organizers of the event said 450K and I'd take that number at their word. I believe they are against blood for oil or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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