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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 09:28 AM)
It never takes long for things to balance out, does it?

 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/200...ty-promo-msnbc-

I dont really see the MSNBC NEWS department being as politically active as Fox News NEWS department, but I do believe their commentators are getting close to Fox News level. I used to watch MSNBC before and through the primary and election season. But during that time the organization, and specifically the commentators, have moved very left and that bothers me. I still say Fox News is more to the right than MSNBC is to the left, but MSNBC isnt far behind. CNN is largely my primary source of cable news coverage because I do think they off the most Fair and Balanced coverage of the big 3.

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QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 10:38 AM)
If I understand the article, Maddow and Olbermann, both commentators advocated a specific type of protest - but didn't do anything at all other than say its a good idea? How on earth is that equivalent to Fox News Tea Parties in April and Glenn Beck's 9/12 rally?

 

I'm no fan of MSNBC (although I do like Rachel Maddow - and think she's actually a pretty entertaining host on TV and radio) but this is kind of a desperate ploy at saying "See, they all do it."

I see Maddow often thrown in with the Beck-Hannity-Limbaugh crowd which really isn't fair to Maddow, as anyone who's watched her show can see. I admit I've done it before for the sake of rhetoric, but honestly outside of Olbermann there really is no left equivalent of conservative media personalities.

 

 

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 10:46 AM)
I dont really see the MSNBC NEWS department being as politically active as Fox News NEWS department, but I do believe their commentators are getting close to Fox News level. I used to watch MSNBC before and through the primary and election season. But during that time the organization, and specifically the commentators, have moved very left and that bothers me. I still say Fox News is more to the right than MSNBC is to the left, but MSNBC isnt far behind. CNN is largely my primary source of cable news coverage because I do think they off the most Fair and Balanced coverage of the big 3.

CNN' problem isn't bias, they're just shallow and therefore they suck.

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Oh really? If Maddow's rule applies in an absolute sense, that would mean MSNBC is not a news as well. Flashback to Oct. 7: Both Maddow and her MSNBC colleague, "Countdown" host Keith Olbermann, engaged in their own brand of AstroTurf. They encouraged free health care clinics to be held in the states of six Democratic senators that are not in lockstep with the left-wing agenda on health care reform as a ploy to turn up the heat on those senators to support a so-called public health care option (emphasis added).

 

The nerve!

 

Really though, this does not compare to round-the-clock promotion of events for weeks.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 09:46 AM)
I dont really see the MSNBC NEWS department being as politically active as Fox News NEWS department, but I do believe their commentators are getting close to Fox News level. I used to watch MSNBC before and through the primary and election season. But during that time the organization, and specifically the commentators, have moved very left and that bothers me. I still say Fox News is more to the right than MSNBC is to the left, but MSNBC isnt far behind. CNN is largely my primary source of cable news coverage because I do think they off the most Fair and Balanced coverage of the big 3.

Not sure how you can compare the 2. Other than the prime time shows on MSNBC how can you say the rest of their programming is liberal? Do you even watch their standard news shows?

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 10:57 AM)
And by shallow you mean they keep their coverage and analysis simplistic?

Among other things yes. Sometimes simplicity is good but sometimes they just talk about things for the sake of talking about them, not because it matters. Reading www.foreignpolicy.com and hell, even TIME kind of opened my eyes. And if I see a Jon and Kate story in the "top stories" link section one more time I swear I'm going to start a petition to have them shut down.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 09:46 AM)
I dont really see the MSNBC NEWS department being as politically active as Fox News NEWS department, but I do believe their commentators are getting close to Fox News level. I used to watch MSNBC before and through the primary and election season. But during that time the organization, and specifically the commentators, have moved very left and that bothers me. I still say Fox News is more to the right than MSNBC is to the left, but MSNBC isnt far behind. CNN is largely my primary source of cable news coverage because I do think they off the most Fair and Balanced coverage of the big 3.

 

 

MSNBC is opinion from 4 p.m. until midnight. There is no news. You could probably throw the 3:00 p.m. hoour in there too. Whereas , Fox at least broadcasts news at 5:00 and 6:00 every night.

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QUOTE (Cknolls @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:16 AM)
MSNBC is opinion from 4 p.m. until midnight. There is no news. You could probably throw the 3:00 p.m. hoour in there too. Whereas , Fox at least broadcasts news at 5:00 and 6:00 every night.

Beck comes on at 5 doesn't he?

 

edit: nevermind I'm in EST and you're in CST.

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QUOTE (Cknolls @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 08:16 AM)
MSNBC is opinion from 4 p.m. until midnight. There is no news. You could probably throw the 3:00 p.m. hoour in there too. Whereas , Fox at least broadcasts news at 5:00 and 6:00 every night.

Without watching MSNBC or saying anything about their news coverage, one of the reasons this keeps coming up with Fox is that the word "News" there should actually be in quotes. Because Fox's "Hard News" is just as right leaning as their opinion programming.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 10:46 AM)
Without watching MSNBC or saying anything about their news coverage, one of the reasons this keeps coming up with Fox is that the word "News" there should actually be in quotes. Because Fox's "Hard News" is just as right leaning as their opinion programming.

 

CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS News are all just as biased. They are just pro-Democrat, FOX is pro-GOP.

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QUOTE (mr_genius @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 11:31 AM)
CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS News are all just as biased. They are just pro-Democrat, FOX is pro-GOP.

 

Wow, someone actually noticed that!

 

Honestly, the fact that democrats and liberal leaning folks keep leaning on this Fox "NEWS" thing is as ridiculous as republicans asking for Obama's birth certificate over and over.

 

It's not a big surprise the "news" is biased one way or the other, and that goes for all news organizations, not just Fox...so please, let's stop pretending it's just Fox. It's ignorance personified to do so.

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QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 01:05 PM)
Wow, someone actually noticed that!

 

Honestly, the fact that democrats and liberal leaning folks keep leaning on this Fox "NEWS" thing is as ridiculous as republicans asking for Obama's birth certificate over and over.

 

It's not a big surprise the "news" is biased one way or the other, and that goes for all news organizations, not just Fox...so please, let's stop pretending it's just Fox. It's ignorance personified to do so.

News is reported by people, and therefore, will always have various levels of bias. Which I think is what you are getting at.

 

However, two important notes here. One, Fox is far more biased in their coverage than the other major networks. Two, regardless of that, the major problem with ALL these news outlets is that they are shallow and trashy, doing very little actual reporting on actual news. Its all opinion and flash-and-dash garbage. That is actually a much larger problem here, than any inherent bias. Real journalism is expensive, sometimes boring to most people, and usually presents the true complexity of things. People don't like that - they want simple, black and white, someone to blame.

 

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 01:13 PM)
News is reported by people, and therefore, will always have various levels of bias. Which I think is what you are getting at.

 

However, two important notes here. One, Fox is far more biased in their coverage than the other major networks. Two, regardless of that, the major problem with ALL these news outlets is that they are shallow and trashy, doing very little actual reporting on actual news. Its all opinion and flash-and-dash garbage. That is actually a much larger problem here, than any inherent bias. Real journalism is expensive, sometimes boring to most people, and usually presents the true complexity of things. People don't like that - they want simple, black and white, someone to blame.

 

That's your opinion. I find the other networks just as biased as I find Fox.

 

And IMO, real journalism is rare these days, or even dead...because it's boring...and boring doesn't get ratings.

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 27, 2009 -> 01:13 PM)
News is reported by people, and therefore, will always have various levels of bias. Which I think is what you are getting at.

 

However, two important notes here. One, Fox is far more biased in their coverage than the other major networks. Two, regardless of that, the major problem with ALL these news outlets is that they are shallow and trashy, doing very little actual reporting on actual news. Its all opinion and flash-and-dash garbage. That is actually a much larger problem here, than any inherent bias. Real journalism is expensive, sometimes boring to most people, and usually presents the true complexity of things. People don't like that - they want simple, black and white, someone to blame.

NB(S)C: Obama: Hey Bri! Let's go grab some burgers! Brian Williams: [slurp][/slurp]

AB(S)C: Obama: Say, let me put my infomercial all over you guys for health care... please don't run anything contrary to my views. ABC: [slurp][/slurp]

CB(S)S: Obama: Hey Dave, hey 60 minutes! I gotcha covered, please save me the time! CBS (in particular, Letterman) [slurp][/slurp]

Fox: Obama: f*** you, you're an RNC talking point machine.

 

MMMMMMMMkay.

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QUOTE (kapkomet @ Oct 28, 2009 -> 02:03 PM)
This is extremely sad on one hand and hysterical on others.

 

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelst...role-government

 

Barneys Frank just says it like it is. Shhhhh... don't tell everyone the plan!

 

But then him calling out Nader's irrelevancy is funny.

 

Barney Frank is a f***ing idiot.

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