The Republican Thread

[bmags]

Alright. seriously. What the f*** are you guys complaining about. You want the GOP thread to have more posts? Post more. I'm not going to apologize for posting a lot in the dem thread with the posters i like. What are the mods supposed to do? Delete posts in the dem thread? You all seem to equate more posts in the dem thread with more hate...it's not. And there are quite a bit of posts in there with random posts form righters here that are just "hey nancy pelosi sucks! but i hate Bush too, so i'm fine!". We read a lot of blogs. We post them. THey are left leaning blogs. We post them in the dem thread. That's the point. It's the point of the dem thread. To have dem things in it. And not clog up the forum. You want to know the difference? When you guys talk about liberals and dems, we don't take it personally, because there is a large part of it we don't identify with. When we identify the f***in crazy sending nooses to congressman, Kap goes off about OOOHH SO I AM A RACIST RIIIIGHT WELL NONE OF THIS HAS EVER HAPPENED blah blah blah.

[bmags]

Am I the only one who remember all of the "Dissent is Patriotic" bumperstickers from the previous eight years? What happened to all of that? It is totally accepted here when entire groups of the GOP are mocked. It is completely OK when jokes are made about how stupid people are in the Republican party. Yet if anything remotely the other way happens, panties get wadded about as quick as Scott Linebrink entering a game.

 

You mean like the past two pages of this thread? Look in a mirror for Christ's sake. When I've gone off, I took some time off. I've been treated very fairly, including the time when I called out NSS for trying to act like an inbetween moral arbiter in the 2008 election and taking sides with you. They are fair. They are extremely lenient.

 

One of the things that has pissed me off, and I don't even like him as a poster, but one of the easy things of this forum is anyone can make fun of AHB and it's fine. People can clearly insult him, and no big deal. Imagine if that was kap.

[BigSqwert]

This makes Obama impeachable in my book.

[ChiSox_Sonix]

You mean like the past two pages of this thread? Look in a mirror for Christ's sake. When I've gone off, I took some time off. I've been treated very fairly, including the time when I called out NSS for trying to act like an inbetween moral arbiter in the 2008 election and taking sides with you. They are fair. They are extremely lenient.

 

One of the things that has pissed me off, and I don't even like him as a poster, but one of the easy things of this forum is anyone can make fun of AHB and it's fine. People can clearly insult him, and no big deal. Imagine if that was kap.

 

I'll assume you forgot to put that in green, because there's no way that can be a serious statement.

[Balta1701]

This makes Obama impeachable in my book.

The problem BS is that the opposing party thinks this is a great idea and should be expanded.

[BigSqwert]

The problem BS is that the opposing party thinks this is a great idea and should be expanded.

Well I for one will be consistent against the expansion of the executive branch's power. This is straight up bulls*** and it's unconstitutional.

[Balta1701]

Well I for one will be consistent against the expansion of the executive branch's power. This is straight up bulls*** and it's unconstitutional.

And as a "Liberal", I'm going to be open to that particular expansion of government power unless given a good reason why I shouldn't be.

 

If I go and declare obedience to an opposing enemy power during wartime, does the fact that I hold U.S. citizenship protect me from being an explicit target?

[southsider2k5]

Alright. seriously. What the f*** are you guys complaining about. You want the GOP thread to have more posts? Post more. I'm not going to apologize for posting a lot in the dem thread with the posters i like. What are the mods supposed to do? Delete posts in the dem thread? You all seem to equate more posts in the dem thread with more hate...it's not. And there are quite a bit of posts in there with random posts form righters here that are just "hey nancy pelosi sucks! but i hate Bush too, so i'm fine!". We read a lot of blogs. We post them. THey are left leaning blogs. We post them in the dem thread. That's the point. It's the point of the dem thread. To have dem things in it. And not clog up the forum. You want to know the difference? When you guys talk about liberals and dems, we don't take it personally, because there is a large part of it we don't identify with. When we identify the f***in crazy sending nooses to congressman, Kap goes off about OOOHH SO I AM A RACIST RIIIIGHT WELL NONE OF THIS HAS EVER HAPPENED blah blah blah.

 

Honestly I wouldn't have said anything, because this is the exact response I knew was coming. If people hadn't have gotten mocked for thinking that, I wouldn't have even bothered because I knew this was what would be said. Complete acceptance.

 

As for the last part of this, I can't believe you guys actually haven't figured Kap out. That's just funny.

[Chisoxfn]

f*** u all, I own the site and am republican...I'm closing this place down. Screw freedom of speach....go burn your flags elsewhere

 

Seriously, I don't come in here too much and I rarely get into the politics of anything anymore, but there will always be a back and forth when it comes to two people with complete opposite view points on politics and sometimes names will get called, people will kick and scream and that is why we have the awesome mods we have that run this forum.

 

The reality is, it will happen, but the fact that by and large during this forums tenure we've been able to have provactive and intelligent discusison regarding politics is just flat out impressive and people shouldn't forget that!! Clearly as we approach November this forum is going to turn up in volume, people will be more fired up, and we will probably see lines drawn in the sand, but we ask that everyone looks pasts the posters and sticks with the issues at hand.

[Rex Kickass]

Girls, you're all pretty?

[Chisoxfn]

The Tea Party movement seems to be growing steam. While it isn't technically tied to the Republican party, it certainly seems that as of now it has rallied up the Republican base and that the Republican party will be making some serious noise come November.

 

Interesting, since most everyone had been dismissing this movement to ignoring it in the main-stream media.

 

Tea Partiers have been dismissed as a fringe, but two new polls suggest the conservative movement might be going mainstream.

 

A Rasmussen poll released Monday found more Americans identify with the Tea Party groups than with President Obama.

 

According to the survey, 48 percent of voters said the average Tea Party activist is more aligned with their views on major issues than the president. Forty-four percent said Obama's views are closer to theirs.

 

That came on top of a USA Today/Gallup poll that found more than a quarter of Americans affiliate themselves with the Tea Party movement.

 

The poll of 1,033 adults, conducted March 26-28, found 28 percent of people call themselves Tea Party supporters, while 26 percent call themselves opponents.

 

The survey also found that Tea Party supporters are not disproportionately dominated by any one demographic group. The characteristics of Tea Party supporters -- in age, education, income and race -- roughly follow the characteristics of the nation as a whole.

 

The Gallup poll had a margin of error of 4 percentage points.

 

The Rasmussen poll of 1,000 likely voters was taken April 2-3. It had a margin of error of 3 percentage point

 

 

[Rex Kickass]

The Tea Party movement seems to be growing steam. While it isn't technically tied to the Republican party, it certainly seems that as of now it has rallied up the Republican base and that the Republican party will be making some serious noise come November.

 

Interesting, since most everyone had been dismissing this movement to ignoring it in the main-stream media.

 

The problem with this movement is it doesn't have any leaders of any consequence (or at least any supporter would admit to having as a leader), and it doesn't have any real purpose or aim. I can tell you what the Democratic Party stands for and what they would want to do on a substantive level, I can do the same with Republicans (in most cases), I can even do the same with Socialists, the Green Party folks and many other third party and non-aligned party movements. I can't do it with the Tea Party, because I just don't know.

 

I think that makes it easy to say I stand for the "Tea Party" because there's nothing to stand alongside with.

[Chisoxfn]

The problem with this movement is it doesn't have any leaders of any consequence (or at least any supporter would admit to having as a leader), and it doesn't have any real purpose or aim. I can tell you what the Democratic Party stands for and what they would want to do on a substantive level, I can do the same with Republicans (in most cases), I can even do the same with Socialists, the Green Party folks and many other third party and non-aligned party movements. I can't do it with the Tea Party, because I just don't know.

 

I think that makes it easy to say I stand for the "Tea Party" because there's nothing to stand alongside with.

I did think that the fact that more people stood behind the Tea Party as opposed to Obama was quite interesting though because I think when most people think about the Tea Party (and this is me making a pure assumption so I could be completely wrong) they think of Palin who wasn't all that liked recently. However, I think in this atmosphere (the tea party), the general consensus is that she brings a fresh perspective and voice that many many middle of the road American's (including women) can truly relate to.

 

And I was reading a couple opinion articles talking about how the Tea Party could actually become its own political party but I think we know that will not happen. Right now it is distancing itself from being an official tie to the Republican party but I think we all know it certainly leans farther to the right than it does the left.

[Rex Kickass]

I did think that the fact that more people stood behind the Tea Party as opposed to Obama was quite interesting though because I think when most people think about the Tea Party (and this is me making a pure assumption so I could be completely wrong) they think of Palin who wasn't all that liked recently. However, I think in this atmosphere (the tea party), the general consensus is that she brings a fresh perspective and voice that many many middle of the road American's (including women) can truly relate to.

 

And I was reading a couple opinion articles talking about how the Tea Party could actually become its own political party but I think we know that will not happen. Right now it is distancing itself from being an official tie to the Republican party but I think we all know it certainly leans farther to the right than it does the left.

 

I think there's a couple caveats to the poll. Rasmussen has developed a significant bent to the right in their polling. The degree that they shift the perception of popular opinion is pretty astounding. I'm not disputing their methodology or anything like that, but I will say that I've become pretty suspicious of whatever they put out. I think its pretty clear that Rasmussen has an agenda in how they poll.

 

The generic congressional ballot for the last week.

YouGov/Pollmetrix - Dems 47, GOP 44

Gallup - Dems 46, GOP 46

Rasmussen - Dems 38, GOP 47.

 

They consistently poll to the right, generally between 5 and 10 points higher than nearly every other pollster. (BTW, I also think the left leaning YouGov poll is s*** because of their methodology). They also seem to push for people to make a decision. I've never seen any other pollster have every single Obama approval poll have 0% with no opinion, but thats what Ras does. 53-47 for disapproval right now, when nobody else is showing a spread in either direction of more than 4 or 5 points, and no other pollster shows him upside down by more than a point or two unless its a s***ty internet poll (Zogby and the left leaning YouGov should never be included in the same sentence with other, better pollsters.)

 

Is it possible Ras is right? Maybe, but I think they use models that overestimate the presence and power of people who would fit into the tea party mold.

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

I think there's a couple caveats to the poll. Rasmussen has developed a significant bent to the right in their polling. The degree that they shift the perception of popular opinion is pretty astounding. I'm not disputing their methodology or anything like that, but I will say that I've become pretty suspicious of whatever they put out. I think its pretty clear that Rasmussen has an agenda in how they poll.

 

The generic congressional ballot for the last week.

YouGov/Pollmetrix - Dems 47, GOP 44

Gallup - Dems 46, GOP 46

Rasmussen - Dems 38, GOP 47.

 

They consistently poll to the right, generally between 5 and 10 points higher than nearly every other pollster. (BTW, I also think the left leaning YouGov poll is s*** because of their methodology). They also seem to push for people to make a decision. I've never seen any other pollster have every single Obama approval poll have 0% with no opinion, but thats what Ras does. 53-47 for disapproval right now, when nobody else is showing a spread in either direction of more than 4 or 5 points, and no other pollster shows him upside down by more than a point or two unless its a s***ty internet poll (Zogby and the left leaning YouGov should never be included in the same sentence with other, better pollsters.)

 

Is it possible Ras is right? Maybe, but I think they use models that overestimate the presence and power of people who would fit into the tea party mold.

I think you are right in regards to the polls, but I had seen where Callup also did a similar poll and had very similar results to the Rasmussen one that I posted, hence why I posted it.

 

And you are dead on, the poll companies can easily significant the way the results turn out by the demographic they ask, the tone of the questions they ask, etc.

 

[Balta1701]

I think you are right in regards to the polls, but I had seen where Callup also did a similar poll and had very similar results to the Rasmussen one that I posted, hence why I posted it.

I believe the same poll suggested that a similar number of people identified themselves as being Socialists as did Tea Partiers.

[Chisoxfn]

I believe the same poll suggested that a similar number of people identified themselves as being Socialists as did Tea Partiers.

Where is that part of the poll? I did a quick google and couldn't find anything.

 

[Rex Kickass]

I think you are right in regards to the polls, but I had seen where Callup also did a similar poll and had very similar results to the Rasmussen one that I posted, hence why I posted it.

 

And you are dead on, the poll companies can easily significant the way the results turn out by the demographic they ask, the tone of the questions they ask, etc.

 

I saw the Gallup poll, and I think it got talked about in the way that it would get the most attention, but a lot of the reaction there was spin. Gallup said 24% or something like that was sympathetic, but that doesn't mean they are teabaggers or whatever they are.

The Quinnipiac poll asked people if they thought they were part of the Tea Party movement - only 13% identified as tea party members.

 

I think the truth is that "Tea Party" is code for Republican or lean Republican these days, for people who don't want to admit it.

[Chisoxfn]

I was a bit wrong in my assumption Rex, it seems as if it is pretty split down the middle (but Republican and Independents as opposed to Republican and Democrats) according to a recent gallup poll in regards to who considers themselves a member of the tea party:

 

A quick side note, for anyone who thinks the tea party movement is just another branch of the Republican party being “controlled by the GOP to mask their true intentions”, I would point you to a recent Gallup poll where only 49% of Tea Party members identify themselves as Republican while 51% identified themselves as Democrats or Independents. And for anyone who loves to try to paint this as movement motivated by racism, tell that to the Black conservatives trying to make their presence more and more felt within the mainstream media.

[Chisoxfn]

Where is that part of the poll? I did a quick google and couldn't find anything.

Here is the entire gallup poll on the subject

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/Tea-Part...mographics.aspx

[Chisoxfn]

I saw the Gallup poll, and I think it got talked about in the way that it would get the most attention, but a lot of the reaction there was spin. Gallup said 24% or something like that was sympathetic, but that doesn't mean they are teabaggers or whatever they are.

The Quinnipiac poll asked people if they thought they were part of the Tea Party movement - only 13% identified as tea party members.

 

I think the truth is that "Tea Party" is code for Republican or lean Republican these days, for people who don't want to admit it.

I'm curious to see what the Republican's put out this year just before the elections as there newest version of the "Contract for America". The Republican party has a shot to do what it did in the mid 90's and take back everything but the White House.

 

I think the fact that the Republicans have a shot at the independents of the country is huge as that ultimately is who you have to sway to win the elections anyway.

 

[Balta1701]

I think the fact that the Republicans have a shot at the independents of the country is huge as that ultimately is who you have to sway to win the elections anyway.

Not based on the last 10 years. The last 10 years, it's all been about base turnout. Bush and The Republicans lost independents in 2004, and won because their base turned out.

[Balta1701]

Here is the entire gallup poll on the subject

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/Tea-Part...mographics.aspx

You have to go to a different Gallup poll for the comparison. In the poll you cite, the "Favorability number" (last question) for the teabagging is 37%. In a Feb Gallup poll, the same question for Socialism produced a 36% favorability.

 

Considering Socialists don't have an entire 24 hour news network telling the country how great they are...

[Controlled Chaos]

is teabagging an accepted term now?

[Balta1701]

is teabagging an accepted term now?

I sure hope not.