The Republican Thread

[Jenksismyhero]

I specifically said they're not on the same level, but it's the same idea. Government forcing you to do something you don't agree with. s***, let's use the best example, tax on tea. What a great and wonderous thing that was. We started a war over it (among other taxes levied to pay for a war of protection). Tens of thousands died. We don't call those people crazy and out of touch, we call them revolutionaries.

 

You people just don't agree with the message, so of course you're not going to disagree with the people making the message.

Edited June 25, 2010 by Jenksismybitch

[StrangeSox]

They didn't start a war over tea or over having high tax rates. I think that's something the tea party people miss.

[Jenksismyhero]

They didn't start a war over tea or over having high tax rates. I think that's something the tea party people miss.

 

That's exactly why they started the war. The colonists were tired of being nickle and dimed for nearly everything. Tea, paper, stamps, etc., despite the fact that Britian was forced to raise taxes because they had lost so much protecting the colonies from the French and Indians. The people didn't like it, they gathered up, Britian screwed up by bringing in a large military precense in Boston, which just pissed of the locals more, and eventually events occurred, like the boston massacre, which made everything spill over. It was ALL about being told to do something by a government they didn't agree with.

 

My whole point is that the liberal movement that started 50 years ago was an anti-establishment, "we don't agree with the way things are going" movement. Distinguish all you like about the severity of the specific issues, but the point remains that that's what it was. That's all the tea party is doing today. They're pissed that their government is forcing them to pay for things that they don't want to pay for, that the government is leading them into a potentially dangerous future. You all laugh and think they're crazy, which is exactly what the prior generations thought of the progressive movement.

 

Edit: and actually, my original point was that you still have f***ing retards on both sides that take these issues so damn seriously that they advocate violence over it. Tea baggers are just as guilty of that has liberals, but currently no one wants to admit that. It's easier just to say "Palin" and "Tea Party."

Edited June 25, 2010 by Jenksismybitch

[StrangeSox]

It was over a lack of representation and some sort of say in Parliament. It was about being told to do something and not having a say in their own governance. Tea partiers can't make the same complaint unless they only like democracy when their team wins.

 

And you cannot ignore the legitimacy of the motivation of the movements and pretend that they're equal.

Edited June 25, 2010 by StrangeSox

[Texsox]

Over the last twenty years a growing segment of the population doesn't care what happens to America as long as their side "wins". So we have Liberals wanting Bush to screw up and Republicans wanting Obama to screw up. That same segment will defend anything "their" party does and turn around and attack the other party for doing the exact same thing. The Tea Party folks are perhaps the most visiable of that group, but there are a lot more, and again, on both sides. There has never been a better time to be a politician. When they screw up, and they do, their mistakes can be blamed on the media, judges, the other party, you name, anyone and anything other than themselves.

 

One way to turn the tide is to have people demand that their party be fixed. Sadly, I do not see that happening anytime soon. The other is for people to be greedy and cheerfully accept gains the other party makes. But I don't see that happening. Too many GOP fanboys want, for example, health care to be an epic fail, much like Dem fanboys wanted Bush's war to fail.

 

Running our country has now become much like sports and soft drinks. It would be funny if it wasn't so damn tragic.

[Jenksismyhero]

It was over a lack of representation and some sort of say in Parliament. It was about being told to do something and not having a say in their own governance. Tea partiers can't make the same complaint unless they only like democracy when their team wins.

 

And you cannot ignore the legitimacy of the motivation of the movements and pretend that they're equal.

 

Read your history books and look beyond the fluffy language. They had representation. They had British representatives (keep in mind, colonists were British too...) in the colonies that represented them in Parliament. It was taxes man. People didn't like having to pay for every item they used simply because a government across the pond told them to.

 

But I've said my peace on both topics. I'm not wasting a day and 7 pages arguing over distinctions that IMO don't have relevance to my point.

[StrangeSox]

Read your history books and look beyond the fluffy language. They had representation. They had British representatives (keep in mind, colonists were British too...) in the colonies that represented them in Parliament. It was taxes man. People didn't like having to pay for every item they used simply because a government across the pond told them to.

 

But I've said my peace on both topics. I'm not wasting a day and 7 pages arguing over distinctions that IMO don't have relevance to my point.

 

oh ok.

[Cknolls]

How about those racist tea-partiers in South Carolina electing an African American in the primary for the 1st District. Good Luck to you Tim Scott.

[mr_genius]

Illinois is so f***ed up. the dem party, which rules the state, is just total s***. spend spend spend and totally corrupt

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/business...WhxG3NtKLTImCLg

 

 

Now Illinois has shouldered to the fore, as its dysfunctional political class refuses to pay the state’s bills and refuses to take the painful steps — cuts and tax increases — to close a deficit of at least $12 billion, equal to nearly half the state’s budget.

Then there is the spectacularly mismanaged pension system, which is at least 50 percent underfunded and, analysts warn, could push Illinois into insolvency if the economy fails to pick up.

 

 

 

[mr_genius]

Al Gore

 

 

haha

[Cknolls]

Illinois is so f***ed up. the dem party, which rules the state, is just total s***. spend spend spend and totally corrupt

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/business...WhxG3NtKLTImCLg

 

 

Let's float some more bonds. Feel good politics. Illinois, a microcosm of the country as a whole. I have already cut back my estimated payments for this tax year. No way will they get one more f***ing cent from me that they are entitled to receive. Default is the only thing that will change the pension system in this state.

Edited July 4, 2010 by Cknolls

[Cknolls]

The press is doing a wonderful job covering the whistle blower in the DOJ Black Panther case aren't they? I cannot imagine why no one reads the rags they print. Pathetic. Something tells me things would be different if the other party was in power.

[Controlled Chaos]

oh no...a black conservative woman!! Wait....and the tea party supports her??? I thought they were all racist??

 

Here's a fox chicago video.... http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/polit...lhelmi-20100714

Flannery is horrible here. To compare her situation with getting Pederson knocked off the ballot is a joke. He filed for state representative, state senate, secretary of state, U.S. Senate, governor and lieutenant governor....all with zero signatures. Removing him is removing a sham...hardly the same the democrats trying to remove a legitimate challenger.

 

Judge sets date in ballot removal appeal

Bolingbrook Republican seeks to run in 43rd District race

By Mary Owen/TribLocal.com reporter

 

Courtesy photoCedra Crenshaw, 37, is seeking to run in the 43rd District state Senate race.

 

 

A Bolingbrook Republican is fighting a Will County Electoral Board decision to remove her from the ballot as a candidate for the state Senate.

 

On Wednesday, Will County Associate Judge Bobbi Petrungaro set a July 20 hearing to review the case. The board voted July 7 to remove Cedra Crenshaw, 37, because her nominating petitions had the incorrect wording.

 

“The fact of the matter is we think the Electoral Board interpreted the law wrong,” said Richard Kavanagh, chairman of the Will County Republicans and one of the attorneys representing Crenshaw. “It’s a pretty simple case.”

 

The removal of Crenshaw, an accountant turned stay-at-home mother, has roused local and national Tea Party members, who have staged protests on her behalf and contributed to her campaign. More than 20 Crenshaw supporters showed up to the Electoral Board meeting wearing patriotic T-shirts.

 

Crenshaw has captured national attention with radio interviews and a mention on Fox News Channel’s “Sean Hannity Show” Tuesday night by a guest conservative commentator.

 

If Crenshaw is returned to the ballot, she will challenge incumbent Sen. Arthur Wilhelmi, D-Joliet, in the 43rd District, which includes Lockport, Lemont, Bolingbrook, Romeoville, Manhattan and Joliet.

 

Wilhelmi was confronted Wednesday by a Tea Party activist during a bill signing ceremony with Gov. Pat Quinn at the Palmer House Hilton in Chicago.

 

Catherina Wojtowicz, who later identified herself as the leader of the Chicago Tea Party Patriots, grabbed a microphone off a table and demanded that Wilhelmi explain his involvement in Crenshaw’s removal.

 

“Why are you afraid of a mom from the suburbs?” Wojtowicz shouted.

 

A flustered Wilhelmi tried to calm the woman by saying he would address her questions after the meeting, but the woman was promptly escorted out by hotel security and members of Quinn's state police detail.

 

Wilhelmi said the woman’s outburst was regrettable and he will support the decision of the court.

 

Mark Batinick, Crenshaw’s campaign manager, said the ballot controversy has generated publicity for the campaign nationwide, and he is hopeful the attention will trickle down into the neighborhoods in the district.

 

Crenshaw was chosen as a candidate by the Republican Party on March 30 after no Republicans ran in the February primary. Twenty days later, she submitted more than 2,000 signatures with her nomination petition, double the required 1,000 signatures.

 

Soon after, her petitions were challenged. The Electoral Board voted 2-1 to remove Crenshaw from the ballot. The two Democrats on the board voted in favor while the lone Republican voted against. The board ruled the signatures were invalid because her forms stated that signatures could be collected no earlier than 90 days before the filing deadline. A new state law requires that signatures be collected no earlier than 75 days before the deadline.

 

Tribune reporter Monique Garcia contributed to this report.

 

Couple other articles....

http://www.southtownstar.com/news/mcqueary...cqueary.article

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion...0,3148172.story

 

[southsider2k5]

So now do we get to talk about the impact that the government and the media is having in causing racism in this country

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/19...p-white-farmer/

 

Days after the NAACP clashed with Tea Party members over allegations of racism, a video has surfaced showing an Agriculture Department official regaling an NAACP audience with a story about how she withheld help to a white farmer facing bankruptcy -- video that now has forced the official to resign.

 

Shirley Sherrod, the department's Georgia director of Rural Development, is shown in the clip describing "the first time I was faced with having to help a white farmer save his farm." Sherrod, who is black, claimed the farmer took a long time trying to show he was "superior" to her. The audience laughed as she described how she determined his fate.

 

"He had to come to me for help. What he didn't know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me was I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him," she said. "I was struggling with the fact that so many black people have lost their farmland and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land -- so I didn't give him the full force of what I could do. I did enough."

 

The Agriculture Department announced Monday, shortly after FoxNews.com published its initial report on the video, that Sherrod had resigned.

 

"There is zero tolerance for discrimination at USDA, and I strongly condemn any act of discrimination against any person," Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said in a written statement. "We have been working hard through the past 18 months to reverse the checkered civil rights history at the department and take the issue of fairness and equality very seriously.

 

The NAACP released a statement late Monday condemning Sherrod's admission.

 

"We are appalled by her actions, just as we are with abuses of power against farmers of color and female farmers," the statement said.

 

"Her actions were shameful," it continued. "While she went on to explain in the story that she ultimately realized her mistake, as well as the common predicament of working people of all races, she gave no indication she had attempted to right the wrong she had done to this man."

 

Sherrod explained in the video that, at the time, she assumed the state or national Department of Agriculture had referred the white farmer to her. In order to ensure that the farmer could report back that she was indeed helpful, she said she took him to see "one of his own" -- a white lawyer.

 

"I figured that if I take him to one of them, that his own kind would take care of him," she said.

 

The point of the story wasn't entirely clear; only an excerpt of the speech is included in the video clip.

 

"It was revealed to me that it's about poor versus those who have," she said, suggesting she had learned that race is less important.

 

The video clip was first posted by BigGovernment.com. The clip is dated March 27 from an NAACP Freedom Fund banquet.

 

The clip adds to the firestorm of debate over the NAACP's decision to approve a resolution at its convention last week accusing some Tea Party activists of racism -- a charge Tea Party leaders deny.

 

In a second clip from the same event posted online, Sherrod appeared to urge black job seekers to find work at the Department of Agriculture because the federal government won't lay people off.

 

"There are jobs at USDA and many times there are no people of color to fill those jobs because we shy away from agriculture. We hear the word agriculture and think, why are we working in the fields?" she said. "You've heard of a lot of layoffs. Have you heard of anybody in the federal government losing their job? That's all I need to say."

[ChiSox_Sonix]

So now do we get to talk about the impact that the government and the media is having in causing racism in this country

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/19...p-white-farmer/

 

How dumb are people? If you are in a position like that, you should assume anything you ever say to a group or in public has the potential to be recorded.

[NorthSideSox72]

How dumb are people? If you are in a position like that, you should assume anything you ever say to a group or in public has the potential to be recorded.

Exactly. And she should be fired.

 

Also, this is not racism caused by the media, or the government. Its just a racist, showing what she is.

 

[mr_genius]

How dumb are people? If you are in a position like that, you should assume anything you ever say to a group or in public has the potential to be recorded.

 

i'm sure there is a lot more of that type of stuff going on, she was just so dumb that she decided to brag about it in front of a crowd.

[Balta1701]

AJC

The wife of the white farmer allegedly discriminated against by the USDA's rural development director for Georgia said Shirley Sherrod "kept us out of bankruptcy."

 

Eloise Spooner, 82, awoke Tuesday to discover that Sherrod had lost her job after videotaped comments she made in March at a local NAACP banquet surfaced on the web.

 

Sherrod, who is black, told the crowd she didn't do everything she could to help a white farmer whom she said was condescending when he came to her for aid. She said the video was selectively edited but regardless a White House official was adamant that she resign.

 

"What he didn't know while he was taking all that time trying to show me he was superior to me was, I was trying to decide just how much help I was going to give him," Sherrod said in the video, recorded March 27 in Douglas in southeast Georgia.

 

But Spooner, who considers Sherrod a "friend for life," said the federal official worked tirelessly to help the Iron City couple hold onto their land as they faced bankruptcy back in 1986.

 

"Her husband told her, ‘You're spending more time with the Spooners than you are with me,' " Spooner told the AJC. "She took probably two or three trips with us to Albany just to help us out."

 

Spooner called Sherrod Tuesday morning.

 

"She's very sad about it," Spooner said. "She told me she was so glad we talked. I just can't believe this is happening to her."

[Jenksismyhero]

AJC

 

lol, why are you backing a racist? Because the end result was ok?

[Balta1701]

lol, why are you backing a racist? Because the end result was ok?

It's interesting for her to be a racist if that's the reaction of the person she was oppressing, that's all I'll say for now until the full video is released.

[whitesoxfan101]

You can be a racist without oppressing anybody.

[Balta1701]

You can be a racist without oppressing anybody.

So far, the NAACP has already started walking back their criticism of her and are now "Investigating", and CNN right wing blogger correspondent Erickson posted this a moment ago.

I'm hoping there is more to the video of Shirley Sherrod, because otherwise it seems like the right just got the scalp of a penitent lady.

 

When you have a case of a person being fired for remarks from an edited video clip and have the people discussed in that video clip openly defending them...well at least I wonder how well it will stand up as "this person is a horrible racist" once the full video clip is out.

 

It wouldn't be the first time that Breitbart has taken people down based on horribly edited videos.

[whitesoxfan101]

Well since she clearly didn't do anything wrong and should be nominated for sainthood due to losing her job to a vast right wing conspiracy, let's hope she gets her job back tomorrow morning.

Edited July 20, 2010 by whitesoxfan101

[Jenksismyhero]

Yeah, GMAFB. Imagine if this was a white worker saying that stuff about a black family. Balta I'm sure you'd be all over the defense of that white worker right?

[Balta1701]

Yeah, GMAFB. Imagine if this was a white worker saying that stuff about a black family. Balta I'm sure you'd be all over the defense of that white worker right?

Well, I'd at least want to see the whole video.